[News] UPD: Schwindt claimed by VGK. Pelletier and Cooley clear waivers

[FBI]

Maybe if a player is out for a year due to injury they should change the waiver rules so he gets an extra year..

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by FBI

Maybe if a player is out for a year due to injury they should change the waiver rules so he gets an extra year..

I don't have a problem with the rules. They are designed to give a player a shot in the NHL if their existing club isn't going to do that.

I think it's more of an issue for goalies because they often mature to NHL caliber more slowly

But if another team is willing to give Jakub a roster spot now, and the Flames aren't, then I don't have an issue with it.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't have a problem with the rules. They are designed to give a player a shot in the NHL if their existing club isn't going to do that.

I think it's more of an issue for goalies because they often mature to NHL caliber more slowly

But if another team is willing to give Jakub a roster spot now, and the Flames aren't, then I don't have an issue with it.

Goalies have different waiver rules than skaters for this issue IIRC. And no reason to change the rule at all imo.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't have a problem with the rules. They are designed to give a player a shot in the NHL if their existing club isn't going to do that.

I think it's more of an issue for goalies because they often mature to NHL caliber more slowly

But if another team is willing to give Jakub a roster spot now, and the Flames aren't, then I don't have an issue with it.

Ya, extending the waiver time rule would definitely not be pro-player.

[TheIronMaiden]

What time do we find out? 12pm?

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Flames first round pick doesn’t pan out. News at 11.

More like undersized late first round prospect. The Flames drafting has been exceptional in the past decade.

In the 2010s they drafted (players with over 200 games/goaltenders with over 100)

Ferland, Brossoit, Gaudreau, Baertschi, Granlund, Kulak, Jankowski, Monahan, Bennett, Mangiapane, Kylington, Andersson, Tkachuk, Dube, Fox, and Valimaki

Ruzicka, Pospisil, and Wolf aren't at that mark yet but they will be soon.

That is an exceptional job of drafting, especially when many of the picks have been out of the first round and the mid to late first round. If Pelletier doesn't play he will be the first "bust" type player in the first round since Erixon in 2009.

And this is coming from someone who is predominantly a Canucks fan - the Flames drafting has been really good, especially when you consider the team traded away a lot of draft picks for immediate help resulting in no first round pick in 3 years.

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

From 2013 to Pelletier there was only one non top 6 pick, Valimaki and he was a bust as far as the Flames are concerned

The stats you pointed out really doesn’t say much but yeah in general you can’t say the flames drafted well or not recently

I honestly can’t figure out if you have a point here. The poster I responded to claimed that Calgary Flames first round picks never seem to pan out. I noted that since 2013 all of the Calgary Flames first round picks are looking to pan out except for Pelletier. That’s a pretty good hit rate and the fact that Pelletier is the latest drafted of the whole group Makes it even more clear that this is not a flames drafting issue at al. They have drafted very well in the first round in the last 10-11 years

[Calgary4LIfe]

I argue that he was tracking well up until last season.


https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/...php?pid=209005


Can someone see where the wheels fell off? One season - last season. He got injured in preseason, had a lengthy recovery/rehab, returned and was a step behind for a while. Was finally looking like his head was breaking the surface again, when he got injured again. Then he drowned again. Sure, this preaseason hasn't been awesome, but it also hasn't been terrible.


Pelletier was drafted in 2019. Went back for two seasons (as expected). Turned pro and put up 62 points in 66 games, good for 2nd overall on the team. That's not good - that's EXCELLENT. Then people don't notice anything else he did?


Next season he split time in the AHL and the NHL, under Sutter. Yeah, 7 point in 24 games isn't awesome, but for a kid breaking out under Sutter and being moved around the lineup and just trying to find his way, it wasn't exactly terrible either. However, anyone look at his AHL numbers that season? 35 games and 37 points.


Pelletier was tracking REALLY WELL. Then he got injured last year, and everything went to hell.



I don't agree with the notion that Pelletier wasn't tracking well until last season. His development curve was ahead of many other notable players that spent some time in the AHL first, like Mangiapane.



7 points in 24 games. I think that's better than Mangiapane's zero points in 10 games. Then Mangiapane had 13 points in 44 games, before finally breaking out. Instead of breaking out, Pelletier got injured. That's the difference to me, and that's why I would have preferred that he wasn't waived.


However, he got waived. Hopefully he clears. If he does, he either stays up and gets rotated into the lineup for most of the month of October. If he isn't improving, then the Flames can just assign him down, and then hopefully he recovers his game and bounces back up halfway through the year or so.


However, there is no way that you can follow Pelletier's development up until last season and say that he wasn't developing and progressing nicely. He was, and hopefully he will again. This isn't a guarantee that he is a sure-fire NHL'er, or going to be some game-changer. I don't know what Pelletier will be, and I think few people know it at this point. All I really know is that he was tracking very well up until last season when he got injured, and i think his injury does do a great job of explaining away the sudden regression.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by HitterD

I honestly can’t figure out if you have a point here. The poster I responded to claimed that Calgary Flames first round picks never seem to pan out. I noted that since 2013 all of the Calgary Flames first round picks are looking to pan out except for Pelletier. That’s a pretty good hit rate and the fact that Pelletier is the latest drafted of the whole group Makes it even more clear that this is not a flames drafting issue at al. They have drafted very well in the first round in the last 10-11 years

Flames have been drafting extremely well for a number of years, rounds 1 and thereafter.

Not sure why this is even a discussion.

[united]

Welcome to Denver?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

More like undersized late first round prospect. The Flames drafting has been exceptional in the past decade.

In the 2010s they drafted (players with over 200 games/goaltenders with over 100)

Ferland, Brossoit, Gaudreau, Baertschi, Granlund, Kulak, Jankowski, Monahan, Bennett, Mangiapane, Kylington, Andersson, Tkachuk, Dube, Fox, and Valimaki

Ruzicka, Pospisil, and Wolf aren't at that mark yet but they will be soon.

That is an exceptional job of drafting, especially when many of the picks have been out of the first round and the mid to late first round. If Pelletier doesn't play he will be the first "bust" type player in the first round since Erixon in 2009.

When you lookk at that 2019 draft where Pelletier was taken, it's really hit and miss. A lot more missed actually. Only a couple of the next dozen or so players taken after him have solidiified themseleves as NHL players at this point.

It's the life of many late first rounders.

[bdubbs]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

*snip*

I don't disagree with you, but durability also counts in the grand scheme of things. I just don't think he's going to be very durable with his small frame and lack of 'slipperiness', nor is he built like a tank like Marchand is.

Bottom line, as others have already stated, is that he didn't earn his spot on the team this year. Hopefully he isn't claimed so that he can maybe get a good run of games going in the AHL to be recalled later on, but if he gets claimed I am not losing any sleep over it personally.

[Draug]

I do not agree with putting Pelletier on waivers. First move Conroy has made where I'd of chosen differently. Especially with Sharongovich on IR.

Pelletier is a 1st round pick. I'd give all 1sts a longer leash, due to the likelihood of them being claimed. Often teams will claim a former 1st as a zero risk, high reward, project.

I sure hope Pelletier clears. I think he can get back on track.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I argue that he was tracking well up until last season.

And his good year had him get off the blocks very slowly.

Vanilla Penticton tournament, and then more of the same in the preseason.

Gets cut, pops in the AHL, gets recalled and sits ... then plays and does well./

This camp doesn't look a whole lot different than 2022 but this time he has to clear waivers to get to the AHL find it, and then get back on track.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

When you lookk at that 2019 draft where Pelletier was taken, it's really hit and miss. A lot more missed actually. Only a couple of the next dozen or so players taken after him have solidiified themseleves as NHL players at this point.

It's the life of many late first rounders.

Exactly, they take a few years to develop into prospects and every team has a few of them in the exact same boat right now. Late first round picks who aren't good enough to make the NHL team at the current time. The question for other teams would be if they think that Pelletier is better than those players because they would have to keep him on the NHL roster if they wanted to keep him... and if Pelletier isn't good enough to make the Flames I don't think his odds of being picked up by another team are all that great.

Hell look at the Canucks from that draft year, they traded Podkolzin for a fourth round draft pick and while he doesn't have the offensive potential that Pelletier has, he is a much bigger body who can play the bottom two lines.

[Royle9]

Word is the Flames are expecting Pelletier to be claimed.
I've asked for more details.

[boogerz]

With Jenner's IR announcement this morning, the BJs need bodies in a bad way. I wouldn't be surprised if they claim Pelletier until they figure out their lines.

The Ducks and Lightning also have space to claim Pelletier as a filler player/13th forward

[Caged Great]

I want to qualify, I am a big supporter of Pelletier. He was the player I wanted at our pick (between him and hoglander).

He was terrible in the preseason. He couldn’t pass or shoot the puck. The only skill set he showed was good on ice positioning. It’s one of those where he simply got passed by other players currently and had a whole host of guys breathing down his neck. It really depends on the severity of his shoulder issues. It might be like Monahan where a year from now he bounces fully back. Or he might just be this player.

Either way, the flames have a litany of winger prospects that profile just as well as him so if it doesn’t turn out it’s not the worst thing ever.

[Paulie Walnuts]

With Sharangovich injured, keeping Honzek makes sense as Jerry said.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Word is the Flames are expecting Pelletier to be claimed.
I've asked for more details.

Crappy.

Ah well, his ceiling was a middle 6er, in my opinion. The team has a plethora of those players.

Hopefully it doesn't bite the franchise in the ass.