Gulutzan loses his cool at practice

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Unreal.

I don't like the captain downplaying this to the media after practice. All I want to hear from the captain is "the coach was right, we weren't practicing hard enough." Instead we get, "omg, did you see that stick throw?"

A big part of the leadership problem with the Flames rests firmly on Giordano's shoulders. You want to give him a pass? Fine. I'm not prepared to do so. I expect him to be calling out the vets, too.

[zamler]

I don't know if Gio is a leader with words but I do know he works his ass off every night the guy leaves it all on the ice.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

I kinda liked this:

Rob Kerr Retweeted

Trent McClellan
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@Trent_McClellan
22h22 hours ago

I was there for this at @NHLFlames practice today and was itching to find the stick and say "Glen, you dropped your stick." But I think just being quiet was a smarter option.


Maybe good advice for CP, too?

Maybe click that "X" in the top right or left of the screen? That works, too.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

I haven't weighed in on this yet, but does negative reinforcement work in pro sports?

Personally, I think GG would be better served instilling belief that he will back his players. Even moreso when the media is involved, you keep discipline and criticism behind closed doors as much as possible.

Pressbox Stajan. His career is over. Give Brouwer's A to Gaudreau so he can actually talk to referees. Stop periodically dressing Bartkowski. Stop practicing a garbage powerplay strategy and get something that works.

I didn't like when he called out Gaudreau after a loss, and I don't see this outburst doing much to galvanize his team either. Maybe I'm wrong and they go on a run, who knows.

Or, maybe these guys tell him to pound sand and quit playing his brand of 50/50 hockey, resulting in a winning streak.

I don't know. I'm tired of Gulutzan either way. Beat the damn Oilers Glen. He's used the "we weren't ready" card far too many times. Slam the refs in the postgame presser and take a fine. Show these players you have their backs.

Good post that will probably get overlooked.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by TOfan

It was completely planned.

Duhatschek's article in the athletic today does a good job covering it. There was a lot of media at practice looking for Jagr update, among other things, the coach knew this. It was all part of his plan.

Whether it was convincing or not is moot. He called the team out, specifically the veterans, publicly. GG is no rube, it was a calculated move to say to the team 'get your sh*t together'.

You may be on to something. But if the players think it was some kind of orchestrated move, not sure it accomplishes much. You want to call the team out publicly, then do it. You want to tell the vets to get their #### together, then you tell them.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by cannon7

I don't like the captain downplaying this to the media after practice. All I want to hear from the captain is "the coach was right, we weren't practicing hard enough." Instead we get, "omg, did you see that stick throw?"

A big part of the leadership problem with the Flames rests firmly on Giordano's shoulders. You want to give him a pass? Fine. I'm not prepared to do so. I expect him to be calling out the vets, too.

Please. You have no idea what was said behind closed doors.


This post:

Originally Posted by cannon7

He could also put Gio on notice that his "C" is in jeopardy, if he's not onboard with the program.

sums up many of the wild over-reactions in this thread.

Taking an inane comment that was obviously aimed at not sparking further controversy and extrapolating how it reflects on someone's overall character is a massive, overdramatic leap.

We have nowhere near enough concrete information to start suggesting Giordano's captaincy should be threatened. That's just crazy.

This is a young team battling in a league with strong parity at the mid-way point of the season. This manufactured notion something is rotten to the core and someone needs to pay a price is just bizarre.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by cannon7

I don't like the captain downplaying this to the media after practice. All I want to hear from the captain is "the coach was right, we weren't practicing hard enough." Instead we get, "omg, did you see that stick throw?"

A big part of the leadership problem with the Flames rests firmly on Giordano's shoulders. You want to give him a pass? Fine. I'm not prepared to do so. I expect him to be calling out the vets, too.

But you're asking "you want to give him a pass?" on your own interpretation of events, motives, and other things you really don't know about. So essentially you're taking others to task for not reacting the same way you do to how things are playing out in your imagination.

[Flamesfan2010]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

Let's ****ing go right ****ing now!

New team motto

[djsFlames]

So people think GG pulled a staged PR stunt?

Lol I guess thats one way to protect your job, but if the players aren't taking the rants seriously and get complacent again then it means nothing.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan2010

New team motto

**** Me, It's Go ****ing Time

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Please. You have no idea what was said behind closed doors.


This post:



sums up many of the wild over-reactions in this thread.

Taking an inane comment that was obviously aimed at not sparking further controversy and extrapolating how it reflects on someone's overall character is a massive, overdramatic leap.

We have nowhere near enough concrete information to start suggesting Giordano's captaincy should be threatened. That's just crazy.

This is a young team battling in a league with strong parity at the mid-way point of the season. This manufactured notion something is rotten to the core and someone needs to pay a price is just bizarre.

Not even sure whereto begin with this...

1. Never said I knew what was said or not said behind closed doors. I'm commenting on what was said publicly, to the media. How is that not clear to you?

2. I never criticized Giordano's character, only his leadership abilities. Those are two different things. How is that not clear to you?

3. Clearly the "wild overreaction" you accuse me of is shared by the Calgary Flames head coach. How is that not clear to you?

4. How is it not partially on the captain when a team is underperforming? Or on the verge of being out-of-reach of the playoffs?

It's hilarious that scratchingStajan and stripping Brouwer of his "A" are find, but any criticism of Giordano's leadership is somehow sacriledge. Give me a break.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by the2bears

But you're asking "you want to give him a pass?" on your own interpretation of events, motives, and other things you really don't know about. So essentially you're taking others to task for not reacting the same way you do to how things are playing out in your imagination.

Nice ad hominem. For those playing at home, anyone who resorts to an ad hominem has nothing to offer the discussion.

Not sure who you're accusing me of "taking to task" aside from maybe a captain of an underperforming professional hockey team. But I'm pretty sure Giordano can take it, so you really don't need to worry about his feelings.

You don't know anything about what I do or do not know. So try to stick to the discussion at hand. If you want to counter my views, go ahead. But the ad hominem attacks about my motives (or whatever) don't serve you.

[cannon7]

Wait. So is "You want to give him a pass? Fine." akin to taking someone to task? And I thought the comments about making CP a "safe space" were jokes....

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Not even sure whereto begin with this...

1. Never said I knew what was said or not said behind closed doors. I'm commenting on what was said publicly, to the media. How is that not clear to you?

2. I never criticized Giordano's character, only his leadership abilities. Those are two different things. How is that not clear to you?

3. Clearly the "wild overreaction" you accuse me of is shared by the Calgary Flames head coach. How is that not clear to you?

4. How is it not partially on the captain when a team is underperforming? Or on the verge of being out-of-reach of the playoffs?

It's hilarious that scratchingStajan and stripping Brouwer of his "A" are find, but any criticism of Giordano's leadership is somehow sacriledge. Give me a break.

I thought I was being clear. Not sure how else to phrase it, other than 2bears did a great job putting it in a nutshell:

Originally Posted by the2bears

But you're asking "you want to give him a pass?" on your own interpretation of events, motives, and other things you really don't know about. So essentially you're taking others to task for not reacting the same way you do to how things are playing out in your imagination.

You're now moving the goalposts away from suggesting Gio's captain could be threatened "if he's not on board".

I can't help you if you're confused as to why several people took issue with this and found it overdramatized.

Gio could also be sat for a few games if he continuously shows up half an hour late to each practice... but we don't know either of those things are close to being real.

You're constructing a narrative in your own mind and then arguing with others for not sharing it or reacting to it the way you are.


I think this was just another day with one moment being captured in the press and blown out of proportion. That is what the press wants with these stories, but the level that you and a few others have taken it to in this thread is to the extreme.

As mentioned, I think this is a young team, trying to put it together in a league with strong parity. The notion Gio is "to blame" for this team being in a wild card position at the half-way point to the point where he might not be "on board" is ridiculous to me.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Wait. So is "You want to give him a pass? Fine." akin to taking someone to task? And I thought the comments about making CP a "safe space" were jokes....

I am not concerned with your verbiage. It's your constructing of a problem or problems we don't know exist and then being surprised when others don't share your take that's at issue.

[Enoch Root]

Giordano is dead last on the list of problems that this team faces.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I thought I was being clear. Not sure how else to phrase it, other than 2bears did a great job putting it in a nutshell:

You're now moving the goalposts away from suggesting Gio's captain could be threatened "if he's not on board".

I can't help you if you're confused as to why several people took issue with this and found it overdramatized.

Gio could also be sat for a few games if he continuously shows up half an hour late to each practice... but we don't know either of those things are close to being real.

You're constructing a narrative in your own mind and then arguing with others for not sharing it or reacting to it the way you are.

I think this was just another day with one moment being captured in the press and blown out of proportion. That is what the press wants with these stories, but the level that you and a few others have taken it to in this thread is to the extreme.

As mentioned, I think this is a young team, trying to put it together in a league with strong parity. The notion Gio is "to blame" for this team being in a wild card position at the half-way point to the point where he might not be "on board" is ridiculous to me.

So if I reverse my statement logically to "Giordano should not be stripped of his captaincy if he's not onboard with the program" you would agree with that statement? Just want to make it clear what about my conditional statement you're objecting to.

The comment was throwing out hypothetical things Gulutzan could do to silence the speculation regarding his sincerity. Do I think Giordano should be stripped of his captaincy? No. Do I think he should be stripped of his captaincy if he opposes the coaching staff? Yes. See the difference?

If I were Gulutzan and I'm listening to my captain downplay my actions during practice to the media the first thing I'd do is meet with said captain in private and tell him to stop. Is that extreme, too?

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by cannon7

So if I reverse my statement logically to "Giordano should not be stripped of his captaincy if he's not onboard with the program" you would agree with that statement? Just want to make it clear what about my conditional statement you're objecting to.

The comment was throwing out hypothetical things Gulutzan could do to silence the speculation regarding his sincerity. Do I think Giordano should be stripped of his captaincy? No. Do I think he should be stripped of his captaincy if he opposes the coaching staff? Yes. See the difference?

If I were Gulutzan and I'm listening to my captain downplay my actions during practice to the media the first thing I'd do is meet with said captain in private and tell him to stop. Is that extreme, too?

Yes, all of the wildly over-dramatic things you're suggesting that we don't know to be the least bit true... I find extreme. Hope that helps.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Giordano is dead last on the list of problems that this team faces.

In terms of his individual contribution on the ice? Of course. In terms of his responsibilities as captain? Not so much.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Yes, all of the wildly over-dramatic things you're suggesting that we don't know to be the least bit true... I find extreme. Hope that helps.

Yes, those quotes from Giordano to the media are figments of my imagination. Thanks for the clarification.