[PGT] Flames 5 Oilers 7

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I blame all those who piled on Kris Russell the other night and in doing so dismissed everything he is about as a hockey player and was about while with Calgary. It seems to some every asset that leaves the organization is garbage, except Darryl Sutter of course. The 2 goals against Rittich are on you folks.

[bubbsy]

Watched the post game presser from Gulutzan just now.

According to him:
When there's a big game, this team gets really nervous and wound up. Rather than feed off the energy they make a ton of nervous mistakes.
If something bad happens (bad bounce) they crumble.

He's definitely not wrong. He always seems to be right on point in his interviews regarding his view on the team and their struggles. However, I see little evidence in his ability to work with the team to address and resolve the issues in a timely fashion.

Do we need to wait till the next road trip where there's time for a train ride??

[Rubicant]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Watched the post game presser from Gulutzan just now.

According to him:
When there's a big game, this team gets really nervous and wound up. Rather than feed off the energy they make a ton of nervous mistakes.
If something bad happens (bad bounce) they crumble.

He's definitely not wrong. He always seems to be right on point in his interviews regarding his view on the team and their struggles. However, I see little evidence in his ability to work with the team to address and resolve the issues in a timely fashion.

Do we need to wait till the next road trip where there's time for a train ride??

Maybe the guys should all take the c-train to the next game together.

[Zoller]

Gio - Brodie
Hamonic - Hamilton

Put Hamonic on the left side. He never makes any breakout passes anyway he just rams it up the boards.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Watched the post game presser from Gulutzan just now.

According to him:
When there's a big game, this team gets really nervous and wound up. Rather than feed off the energy they make a ton of nervous mistakes.
If something bad happens (bad bounce) they crumble.

He's definitely not wrong. He always seems to be right on point in his interviews regarding his view on the team and their struggles. However, I see little evidence in his ability to work with the team to address and resolve the issues in a timely fashion.

Do we need to wait till the next road trip where there's time for a train ride??

Agreed. On all counts.
Don't know if bringing D Sutter back is the answer, but if that call hasn't been made, it better be made today.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Zoller

Gio - Brodie
Hamonic - Hamilton

Put Hamonic on the left side. He never makes any breakout passes anyway he just rams it up the boards.

Or try

Brodie Hamilton
Gio Hamoinc

I think brodie and Hamilton will read off each other better. They both know they each will join the rush. Risk reward pairing

[Chonger]

Originally Posted by 3rd liner

Missed Mike Smith on CBC after hours due to PVR. Anything interesting?

Nothing but fluff and softballs

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[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by 3rd liner

PVR'ed the game so just finished it- forgive me if you've heard this already.....
1) Effort absolutely unacceptable and embarrasing. I don't care about 'resiliency', provincial rivals down a goalie and two main defenseman and this happens? Embarrassing.
2) Don't want to rock the boat as I love Jagr as much as the next guy (was super thrilled about signing) but not much happening there. I wasn't expecting the second coming of his offence but guy is several steps behind.
3) I will say this: Fans booing Russell? A warrior who played with us for 2 years? Low end. How about you save your passion for cheering when we are down 6-1.
4) I can't believe we lost again such a garbage goalie. EDM is counting the days until Talbot is back. It is mind boggling we gave this team 6 goals.
5) I HATE lucic. Always have. Scum of the earth neanderthal with at least one hit from behind not called. LA is my second favourite team and when they got him I cringed.
6) Usual McDavid love for every single thing he does (or doesn't) do. Guy steps into his own zone and Cassie raves about his effort.
7) Speaking of which- gave Cassie a chance and she is awful.
8) Brouwer on the PP still. What has he done at all.
So much to be frustrated about. But at the end of the day they are in the cellar and we are ahead. This 'big game' mentality GG talks about may be true. I hope this 'they almost came back' storyline doesn't outweigh the embarrassing flames team that was on the ice for the first two.

They weren’t booing they were yelling shoot

[White Out 403]

On paper this team should probably be 2nd or 3rd in the Pacific but this coaching staff is predictably suffocating this teams talent. With Darryl Sutter available I find it somehow amazing GG still has a job

[streetglide]

When was the last time we had a coach consistently throw his team under the bus after every bad game they played? Sure once in a while a player will get called out when he really deserves it but Gulutzan never takes any blame himself.

He says himself the team gets nervous and crumbles under pressure. He keeps saying it like he wants to get fired. If your team is fragile that's the coach.
It's called a time out. Like Mclellan did. Try that sometime Glen

Those of you that want Brodie traded. You know as soon as that happens he'll be an all star again under someone else. He's still young. We've all seen how good he can be. The only thing that's changed is the coach

Those of you that would trade Bennett. Same argument from me. He was trending in a positive direction until GG came. And after last night it should be clear, on a team in desperate need of emotion Bennett is the LAST guy we should be trading. He's gonna be real good one day just needs the right coach.

I was against the Jagr signing. Not cause I don't like him but just think he's too old. I would've rather had Iggy for some toughness. But I was wrong just simply from the standpoint that he's been a better coach than GG. I'm not joking I think he's been really good for the top line, Bennett and Janko.

Here's what I notice about the team when they play the Oilers. They're really trying to put on a show. McDavid is in their heads in a totally different way. Especially Johnny, Monahan and Hamilton. Even Jagr last night. It was especially evident on the power play. It was like they were trying to create a highlight reel rather than just score a goal. When they got back to the basics in the third and just started going north south they were a better team

Again if I'm noticing this and our coach isn't then it's him that has to go.

The people that want to say to me "millionaire hockey players shouldn't need to be motivated" ill say I agree to an extent. But that's not the issue on this team. This is a young team that cares and wants to win but they're struggling with confidence. Mike Smiths brilliant goaltending and Jagr with his mentoring are masking the real issue here. Glen Gulutzan

[streetglide]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

They weren’t booing they were yelling shoot

Either way classless. The guy laid his body on the line for this team. I guess he got the last laugh didn't he

[heep223]

Originally Posted by crapshoot

I'm getting sick of hearing how sorely missed Kris Versteeg is on the PP. It's not all about Kris Versteeg being out, it's also a lot about Troy Brouwer promptly going back in. Put anyone else on the PP. Christ, put Hathaway there and you would probably get better results. Brouwer should not be on the PP ever again. He contributes nothing in that role.

Why was Brouwer placed back on the PP after Ferland had so much success? He hasn’t scored a goal this year. Ferland has 11.

Also why not slot Stone in Versteeg’s spot. Both RH. Versteeg always took slapshots or slap passes from that spot anyways, Stone would be much better suited for that given that he actually has a good shot.

On D, clearly the system isn’t working. The breakout is just terrible. Why not get Gio and Brodie back together and tweak the system so that it doesn’t need LH/RH d pairs come hell or high water. Brodie is useless on LD, for whatever reason. See if there’s any chemistry between Hamilton and Hamonic. At this point what do you have to lose? It can’t get any worse back there.

Im starting to really question the personnel and system decisions being made. GG seems like a coach that has his system and puts players into it no matter what. Good coaches design systems around the players they have. You can’t just go from team to team with the same system and expect it to work.

[FBI]

Here's my gauge as to if a player/coach is valuable:
Would another team scoop them up if they were available?

Brouwer - No = Not valuable
Stajan - No = Not valuable
Hamilton - Yes = Valuable
Bartkowski - No = Not valuable
Brodie - Yes = Valuable

Gulutzan - No = Not valuable

[Traditional_Ale]

So both Lindy Ruff and Darryl Sutter are available? Fire Treliving.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by streetglide

Either way classless. The guy laid his body on the line for this team. I guess he got the last laugh didn't he

Classless ? It’s an oppossing players getting razed for a silly/funny mistake he made 2 nights before.

Russell is probably laughing about it now. Heck I’m sure a few teammates made jokes after the Flames game about it.

Is it classless to jeer a goalie on a long shot after they let in some soft goals that game ? Maybe we should start cheering equally for both teams as not to hurt anyone’s feelings !

[Sainters7]

Oilers just have our number now, I hate it. No matter how poorly they're playing going into a BoA, they always really get up for us and we get their A game, which somehow always seems to catch us off guard in the early going. I don't get how this is always a surprise for the Flames, either that or Oilers are just a team we unfortunately match up very poorly against. Frustrating, putting a 9 point cusion on them would've been nice.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by streetglide

Either way classless. The guy laid his body on the line for this team. I guess he got the last laugh didn't he

Any player, who was once a flame, that willingly signs with the oilers, is open for ridicule and jokes.

You think oiler fans were cheering on Glencross??

Not to mention, Russell made a pure bone head play. Every player will have a bad moment or perhaps many, doesn't define them as a bad player. That being said, as a rival fan we can poke fun at perhaps the biggest bone head play made by any nhler this year??

Come on man. I'm pretty sure Russell dried his tears with $100 bills.

[Red]

Originally Posted by heep223

Why was Brouwer placed back on the PP after Ferland had so much success? He hasn’t scored a goal this year. Ferland has 11.

Also why not slot Stone in Versteeg’s spot. Both RH. Versteeg always took slapshots or slap passes from that spot anyways, Stone would be much better suited for that given that he actually has a good shot.

On D, clearly the system isn’t working. The breakout is just terrible. Why not get Gio and Brodie back together and tweak the system so that it doesn’t need LH/RH d pairs come hell or high water. Brodie is useless on LD, for whatever reason. See if there’s any chemistry between Hamilton and Hamonic. At this point what do you have to lose? It can’t get any worse back there.

Im starting to really question the personnel and system decisions being made. GG seems like a coach that has his system and puts players into it no matter what. Good coaches design systems around the players they have. You can’t just go from team to team with the same system and expect it to work.

Because something something, advanced stats, spreadsheet etc say that he is about to break out. And why are we so short sided and focusing on one game when getting a 4th liner some confidence will improve the team to a point of greatness. Because you know, a 4th liner's success is that important to the overall team

This is the issue with GG, he is so out of touch with the overall picture. He'd rather focus on little thing like getting a 4th liner going or having guys shoot from the "proper" side. Results be damned. It's how hockey should be played according to his manual.

They can't get rid of GG fast enough. Guy is lost and seems to lack any authority or confidence behind the bench. Looks like Eakins did, guy that thinks highly of himself when the fact is that the job is so above his head. The players see it.

[bubbsy]

Yeah I have no idea why a guy like Brouwer who has not scored all season, has barely even been close, gets top pp mins.

Ferland, Frolik, Bennett, Jankowski, jagr, tkatchuk all should play the 3rd forward spot before Brouwer.

Brodie, Giordano, Hamilton, stone should be able to handle the point duties across the 2 pp units.

Seeing Brouwer out there makes me mad at the gm and the coach both at the same time.

[Nadal Fan]

Down by 1 with 3 minutes to go and a PP and we put out Brower instead of Bennett who was feeling it last night. It's okay to change your PP mid game . So frustrating