[PGT] Flames Suck In TO

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Absolutely.

That is why I always found the timing of that flames/canucks line brawl interesting. Random game in Jan , let's shake the pot a little.
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The team became a lot more cohesive after the line brawl, that's for sure.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

The team became a lot more cohesive after the line brawl, that's for sure.

Absolutely. Their record over the next 80 games played was pretty damn good if I recall (split over the 2 seasons ).

[Resolute 14]

Not really being talked about here that I can see, but Tkachuk could be in trouble for that little slewfoot on Marincin at the end of the game:

https://twitter.com/JSportsnet/statu...45945594630144

Reddit is a total Toronto-Vancouver-Edmonton salt mine about it.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Not really being talked about here that I can see, but Tkachuk could be in trouble for that little slewfoot on Marincin at the end of the game:

https://twitter.com/JSportsnet/statu...45945594630144

Reddit is a total Toronto-Vancouver-Edmonton salt mine about it.

Chris Johnston reporting no supplemental discipline from last night.

[puckedoff]

Bring back McGrattan

[Monahan For Mayor]

I thought the Bennnet Slew Foot was worse than the Tkachuk. Tkachuk looks like he's battling for position and buddy slipped.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

I thought the Bennnet Slew Foot was worse than the Tkachuk. Tkachuk looks like he's battling for position and buddy slipped.

I thought so first, but Tkachuk appears to give a little kick just as Marincin turns. Everything up to that point is just a positional battle though.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by jg13

That's generous we're 4 points out of 28th overall and most teams behind us have games in hand

While technically correct, I'd say two things to that.

1) it doesn't matter how teams like Carolina, Tampa Bay or New Jersey are doing, they're not threatening our playoff spot.

2) The teams behind us are not great either. Here's a couple of measuring sticks.

We have 7 points in the last 10 games.

Vancouver has 13
Winnipeg has 9
LA has 8
Dallas has 8
St. Louis has a spot right above us, and 8 points in the last 10.

So while we've lost some ground, only Vancouver has significantly gained on us. While we've been "sucking", the teams behind us have also mostly been "sucking", just a little less.


Another measuring sticks, goal differential. Usually a good predictor of how things will go.

LA is at -3.
We're at -12.
Winnipeg -12
St. Louis -13
Vancouver -19
Dallas -22

In summary, we'll likely be fighting for the wild card spots until the very last games, which is in no way unusual and doesn't mean the team sucks. It just means they're mediocre.

The best things fans can do at this point is stop screaming the team sucks and show some faith in them.

The Flames don't suck. They're 17th in a 30 team league, which we know is a really tough league with lots of parity.

[Fischy13]

Originally Posted by Beninho

If gully actually doesn't address the team after games I'm in shock. He should be fired tomorrow, this is the worst the Flames have looked in so many years. When they sucked under Hartley they at least we're scoring and Gaudreau and Monahan still were good.

I completely agree, I couldn't believe that when he said that after the Oiler game. Straight from his mouth...

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Itse

The Flames don't suck. They're 17th in a 30 team league, which we know is a really tough league with lots of parity.

Flames have a .510 point percentage, good for 25th in the league - 6th worst in the NHL.

[bubbsy]

4 points out from 27th, with plenty of games in hand on the teams chasing. I know there's the glass half full view that they are in a playoff spot, but i think that will evaporate quickly

[kevman]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

You don't have to throw temper tantrums to express disapproval.

CP sure does.

[Racki]

I think people are overly sensitive about the slew foot since Racki messed up Derek in Youngblood. When's the last time a guy got hurt from a slew foot?

[kevman]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

The team rarely looked as outclassed under Hartley as they have for most of this season.

No they haven't. They had a terrible start and are in the middle of an equally terrible stretch. They haven't been "outclassed" for most of the season. There was a large chunk in there that this team was firing on all cylinders and was one of the hottest teams in the league.

Most fans on here wrote them off after game 2 and they crawled back to be in the conversation again. The Flames were never going to challenge for the division - they were always going to be a wild card team this year. Which is exactly where they're at.

[CroFlames]

I miss old time hockey. People still talk about that January game from 2 years ago in Vancouver and how ENTERTAINING that was. It bottles the mind that whoever crosschecked Hathaway in the neck wasn't immediately pummeled by the two closest Flames.

Hockey (in general) has become emotionless, and this is the product we got now. If my team is losing anyway, I'd rather see them lose showing some fire and each time Johnny or Mony got touched, there were consequences. Even if someone looks at our goalie the wrong way, they at least get a stinky glove to the face.


But that's just me.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Flames have a .510 point percentage, good for 25th in the league - 6th worst in the NHL.

So let's do a point percentage comparison with the relevant teams, because again most teams don't really matter when it comes to our playoff chances.

St.Louis .54
Vancouver .52
Winnipeg .52
LA .51
Flames .51
Dallas .49

These are really small differences.
If Vancouver loses it's next game, they're at .51.
If we win our next game we're at .52.

Some stats are better for some teams, some are better for other teams, but the summary is still the same. We're in the mix. No more, no less.

(Btw, if I have to pick one stat to favour my team, I'll take actual points.)

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I miss old time hockey. People still talk about that January game from 2 years ago in Vancouver and how ENTERTAINING that was. It bottles the mind that whoever crosschecked Hathaway in the neck wasn't immediately pummeled by the two closest Flames.

Hockey (in general) has become emotionless, and this is the product we got now. If my team is losing anyway, I'd rather see them lose showing some fire and each time Johnny or Mony got touched, there were consequences. Even if someone looks at our goalie the wrong way, they at least get a stinky glove to the face.


But that's just me.

I would rather they came out playing with fire to begin with. To be clear, by that I mean skate hard, take the body, it doesn't need to be fighting and face washing.

[GioforPM]

I thought the Flames were quite good through the first. It's unfortunate that they just couldn't seem to push back hard enough after a very nice goal.

To be fair, I was impressed by Toronto. That's one of the best all around games I've seen them play this year.

[442scotty]

Not even going to watch the game tonight... First miss in years. Going to pvr it in case they figure out how to turn on the "I care" switch

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

I'm about done with the Stajan era too. His locker room awesomeness is doing sweet eff all. I can't believe he's got another year left after this.

Who gave him that deal?