Brexit- Update: Britain has voted to leave the EU

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Are you serious???









Guess what? In Canada we have much more strict immigration laws than the EU. Even for citizens of the common wealth it's become more and more difficult to gain work visa's and permanent residence. If you think this is a racist argument, then I guess Canada is even more racist.



5 of 7 arguments have financial/economical implications.

Try again.

17.4 million people came out to vote for one reason - to stop the non-whites from crossing the North Sea. Sounds legit.

[Boxman]

Those guys have a whole different ballgame. They don't rely on high volume low quality which can get outsourced. Their strength is effectively based on value added products which are difficult to outsource. But when you talk about expanded export markets and a devalued currency, your factories are happy

[peter12]

This was a referendum on the right path of global politics - nothing more or less - triggered enormously by dumb, complacent elites.

[devo22]

Boris Johnson as PM is probably going to happen now. Seems like a "fun" idea ...

[peter12]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

I didn't watch Jon Oliver this week (or last) so my opinion isn't based on that, but free trade and globalization are almost always a positive for the average person, businesses etc...

This is no different than people who are afraid of the TPP.

Your 75k a year jobs with a pension for non-skilled labour are gone people, society is progressing, time for you to do the same.

What kind of cruel, globalist nonsense is this.

[RubberDuck]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

Wasn't the entire Exit campaign fueled by racism?

My neighbors have had some friends visiting from London the past couple weeks. Vietnamese immigrants to the UK, they are on the leave side. They seem to share the same opinion as "angry old white people" in that they the UK puts far more into the EU than they get out.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

Those white people voted to get out of the EU largely because they don't like the influx of immigrants.

The vast majority of those immigrants are white Poles, Hungarians, Croatia, and other Eastern Europeans.

Originally Posted by wittynickname

Much like the US, these people want to return to a time where being white meant you got special treatment. These are people who are bothered by seeing minorities sharing the things they've always enjoyed.

This may be one of the dumbest comments I've ever seen on this forum. In the old days these people pine for virtually everyone in the UK was white. What possible special treatment would a white person in Yorkshire in 1962 receive if everyone who lived and worked in his community was white?

You're betraying a stupefying ignorance by projecting the American racial experience onto the UK.

Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

This is just very simplistic, even if you kind of buy the anti-immigrant line we are talking about eu immigrants like Greeks, Poles, Hungarians, Croatians, and so on. These people are very white. Yes some people have always been resistant to immigrants taking away their jobs, they need them to survive, but it is literally not a black/white issue.

Exactly. It's kinda funny but also kinda pathetic to see so many who clearly haven't a clue about the UK or the EU making such sweeping judgements.

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Except the "old way" is mono(white) culture.

Don't kid yourself, for most, veiled racism is 100% the reason they voted against this.

Nativism might be the main reason for a lot of people - keeping in mind that means being suspicious of the French, Poles, Czechs, etc. Nativism in the UK is not only (or even mainly) a racial thing. But we need to keep in mind that the EU isn't a popular institution in most of its member countries. Think about how Albertans would feel about more and more political power being centralized in Ottawa. Now imagine if Ottawa was in a foreign country, with a far more bloated and far less efficient bureaucracy.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I don't think anyone has claimed everyone who supported Leave is a racist. That said you'd be beyond naive if you think a significant portion of the Leave base doesn't have issues with race.

Sure, I guess. But it's such a blanket, black and white explanation. Immigration undoubtedly played a huge part in this but I don't understand how you can say without a doubt that a lot of people are overtly racist. Is there an exit poll that made people state exactly what part of immigration concerned them? Sheer numbers? Skill level of immigrants? Language proficiency? You just don't like brown people? I'd be willing to accept the race angle if someone showed me some concrete data about it. Really hoping to see a demographic breakdown of the vote on the BBC website or somewhere.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Boxman

Their pharmaceutical, aerospace, and automotive sectors are in a great spot. Now is a good time to invest in GBR. Their manufacturing should go through the roof as a result of this

why?

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I don't think anyone has claimed everyone who supported Leave is a racist. That said you'd be beyond naive if you think a significant portion of the Leave base doesn't have issues with race.

Indeed, you can't make that statement with any kind of sanity. However, I'd say it's pretty clear it is a significant pillar of support and push has been from elements that one would clearly see as being racist. It's been pretty obvious from the bitter campaign and advertising the "Leave" ran over the course of the last while.

Regardless of the semantics, if Donald Trump is giving you a huge pat on the back for a "job well done", you'd probably want to have a relook at what exactly you've done.

[Boxman]

Imagine if Germany were to separate from the EU. Imagine how their economy would take off. It would skyrocket. And this is with the deck already stacked in Germany's favor, from the get-go. GBR exit is actually a similar scenario.

[RubberDuck]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

Those white people voted to get out of the EU largely because they don't like the influx of immigrants.

I guess I should have quoted this post with my story of Vietnamese immigrants and how they voted.

[peter12]

I've spent a lot of time in Europe, and let me tell you - the animus towards white Eastern and Southern European immigrants is not just felt strongly in Europe, but all over. This is the old European problem. That continent is a powder keg.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Boxman

Imagine if Germany were to separate from the EU. Imagine how their economy would take off. It would skyrocket. And this is with the deck already stacked in Germany's favor, from the get-go. GBR exit is actually a similar scenario.

in your opinion

[burn_this_city]

Who knew the war in Syria and refugee crisis would cause the disintegration of the EU? Certainly the flood of undesirables had an impact on the vote.

Also hating other white people because they're different is still a form of prejudice.

It's weird how Brits pine for the days when they were the global invaders. I guess it sucks when a bunch of people who you feel don't belong suddenly show up. The irony.

[FlameOn]

This decision has so many financial implications it's not even funny. UK will likely no longer be the center of the EU's financial sector. This will likely migrant elsewhere. What about Airbus? The entire framework of their existence counted on the EU. BAE will lose a chunk of that work or will have to renegotiate the entire term of their relationship with Airbus proper.

EADS, tariffs on trade. Do they just wall off the Chunnel now? And what about the age gap for this vote? The old have decided for the young something the young will live with. Even though the young overwhelmingly do not want it... fantastic. Just the uncertainty with corporations will cost huge amounts of jobs. The actual impact will probably be higher.

[CliffFletcher]

If I were a UK citizen, I would have probably voted to remain in the EU. But it's a far more nuanced issue than a lot of people want to admit. And smearing anyone you disagree with as an ignorant racist so you don't have to engage with them is a losing hand for progressives. A losing hand they seem compelled to play over and over again. It's storing up more and more resentment among the people who are struggling with globalization, and at some point the lid is going to blow right off. Actually, I think we're seeing it blow off right now.

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

It's weird how Brits pine for the days when they were the global invaders.

I don't think that's a fair statement - maybe some knuckle draggers think that England can return to it's former glory but most English would never believe that.

I think most of the people who voted to leave did so because they feel there's no accountability of the MEP who represented them and having the sovereignty to govern the country the way the populace wants was more important to them than staying in the EU.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Who knew the war in Syria and refugee crisis would cause the disintegration of the EU? Certainly the flood of undesirables had an impact on the vote.

Russia knew, hence why they helped clear a path and drive them out.

[FlameOn]

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