Brexit- Update: Britain has voted to leave the EU

[edslunch]

I heard this morning that Scottish independence will be ramped up again and Northern Ireland may explore unification with Ireland. Could be knee jerk doomsday discussion or could be the beginning of the end of The UK

[Boxman]

Unaffected European FTA, devalued currency, new trade avenues, improved tourism. The markets will shake off today's knee-jerk reaction to perceived and unfounded uncertainty.

[chemgear]

How funny would it be for England to win the Euro now?

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by nik-

Yeah, we'll see how that goes for them. Find me some data that doesn't just ignore the economic gains from the EU because the economics have never been in favour of a Brexit.

Everything is fixed now in the UK!

http://www.vox.com/2016/6/22/11992106/brexit-arguments

This article has 7 arguments as to why leaving is good for the UK. Obviously it's more than just because of racism.

Everyone not in the UK is calling it racism because they stand to lose out if the UK does separate. The UK is doing what's best for their Country, not what is best for the EU. Doesn't mean they are racist.

You can argue against these numbers and opinions all you want. It doesn't change the fact that UK citizens believed this side and their main motivation wasn't fueled with racism.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by chemgear

How funny would it be for England to win the Euro now?

Actually it's going to be the excuse England fans use when they lose to Iceland, that the UEFA refs screwed them by demand of the EU.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

http://www.vox.com/2016/6/22/11992106/brexit-arguments

This article has 7 arguments as to why leaving is good for the UK. Obviously it's more than just because of racism.

Everyone not in the UK is calling it racism because they stand to lose out if the UK does separate. The UK is doing what's best for their Country, not what is best for the EU. Doesn't mean they are racist.

You can argue against these numbers and opinions all you want. It doesn't change the fact that UK citizens believed this side and their main motivation wasn't fueled with racism.

And pretty much none of them are economic and the one that is is the same canard about "durr, we send all this money!"

It's all garbage.

It was never economic, which is what you claimed. The only valid arguments lie in sovereignty and immigration.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Some very disgusting posts in this thread. I assume none of you know anything about this other then what John Oliver told you?

The majority of the UK is NOT in fact racist. This is supposed to help them financially in the long term. They will have more independence with their economy and won't have to fork over millions of pounds just to be part of the EU. Money is always the biggest deciding factor and this was no different.

Oh and if it does turn out to royally suck for the UK, they can always go back...

The amount of ignorance in this thread is astounding.

I didn't watch Jon Oliver this week (or last) so my opinion isn't based on that, but free trade and globalization are almost always a positive for the average person, businesses etc...

This is no different than people who are afraid of the TPP.

Your 75k a year jobs with a pension for non-skilled labour are gone people, society is progressing, time for you to do the same.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I've said it before, but anyone who uses the term "SJW" without irony is someone mot to be taken seriously.

That goes for anyone who has ever used the term "race baiting" as well.

[Boxman]

Their pharmaceutical, aerospace, and automotive sectors are in a great spot. Now is a good time to invest in GBR. Their manufacturing should go through the roof as a result of this

[FlamesAddiction]

So how many pro-EU people would be for a North American Union between Canada, USA and Mexico?

[icecube]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Come theme on social media and left leaning boards like this.

If you disagree with anyone's position, you are a racist and bigot.

This board is left leaning? I'd hate to see the right leaning board!

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Boxman

Their pharmaceutical, aerospace, and automotive sectors are in a great spot. Now is a good time to invest in GBR. Their manufacturing should go through the roof as a result of this

Nigel Farage is that you?

[Boxman]

Who sent you?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Boxman

Their pharmaceutical, aerospace, and automotive sectors are in a great spot. Now is a good time to invest in GBR. Their manufacturing should go through the roof as a result of this

Why would manufacturing go through the roof? The vote doesn't suddenly increase their industrial capacity. Their workers are still paid way higher than other countries.

Airbus - French

Foreign automotive companies

Zero reason they'd change right?

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by nik-

And pretty much none of them are economic and the one that is is the same canard about "durr, we send all this money!"

It's all garbage.

It was never economic, which is what you claimed. The only valid arguments lie in sovereignty and immigration.

Are you serious???

Argument 2: The EU is strangling the UK in burdensome regulations

Argument 3: The EU entrenches corporate interests and prevents radical reforms

Argument 4: The EU was a good idea, but the euro is a disaster

Argument 5: The EU allows too many immigrants

Guess what? In Canada we have much more strict immigration laws than the EU. Even for citizens of the common wealth it's become more and more difficult to gain work visa's and permanent residence. If you think this is a racist argument, then I guess Canada is even more racist.

Argument 7: The UK could keep the money it currently sends to the EU

5 of 7 arguments have financial/economical implications.

Try again.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

So how many pro-EU people would be for a North American Union between Canada, USA and Mexico?

Good point. I can't say I blame people who wanted to leave. The people in this thread claiming 52% of Brits are racist need to give their head a shake, I would bet a a fair percentage of visible minorities voted for this. UKIP had a number of visible minority candidates running in the 2014 election.

[Flamenspiel]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

I didn't watch Jon Oliver this week (or last) so my opinion isn't based on that, but free trade and globalization are almost always a positive for the average person, businesses etc...

This is no different than people who are afraid of the TPP.

Your 75k a year jobs with a pension for non-skilled labour are gone people, society is progressing, time for you to do the same.

Again, this is very simplistic. I remember reading the sunshine list last year, not all of the jobs were "skilled".

As to Europe, the "average person" is not relevent to a voter, specifically in Britain, the EU agreement made it easy to bring cheaper labor in from eastern europe. I was specifically involved in assisting someone caught in this scenario, a very skilled person in the UK who could not get a job in their field because they were in competition with cheap EU labor. I am not saying that he had a right to a job, but i can see that person voting to leave.

Look at it this way, if part of NAFTA allowed Canadians unfettered employment access to US jobs(no visa required), do you think anyone in the US would agree to that? Or how about allowing Mexican labor into Canada at 5 dollars an hour? How do yo think that would play out?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Are you serious???









Guess what? In Canada we have much more strict immigration laws than the EU. Even for citizens of the common wealth it's become more and more difficult to gain work visa's and permanent residence. If you think this is a racist argument, then I guess Canada is even more racist.



5 of 7 arguments have financial/economical implications.

Try again.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/0260242c-3...#axzz4CVl0Wc92

Read.

Stop getting duped.

The economic claim was never valid. If you want to put more weight on sovereignty and immigration, I totally accept that. You're not going to win on economics because no one except the Brexit vote committees agree with you. That article is just literal stating the claims of the Brexiters. Repeating their claims in a Vox article isn't proof.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

Good point. I can't say I blame people who wanted to leave. The people in this thread claiming 52% of Brits are racist need to give their head a shake, I would bet a a fair percentage of visible minorities voted for this. UKIP had a number of visible minority candidates running in the 2014 election.

I don't think anyone has claimed everyone who supported Leave is a racist. That said you'd be beyond naive if you think a significant portion of the Leave base doesn't have issues with race.

[Finger Cookin]

So what are the real next steps for the UK after this? The result isn't binding, and Cameron has resigned. Presumably a general election is going to be held with EU status being the main issue, and then the winning party will have a mandate to follow their position on the issue?