[Rumour] Flames aggressively trying to move up. UPD: Treliving and Kekelainen meeting on floor

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think any deal Columbus considers has at least Backlund in it. Maybe not even him - they might insist on Bennett. I can't see them doing anything along the lines of Bouma/Colborne/etc.

If Columbus wants Bennett as the return for the 3OA, they better not also be asking for the 6OA or they're going to look like amateurs.

Bennett was the 4OA pick 2 years ago, and has done nothing to disappoint. That's not the kind of piece any credible GM suggests as the price to move down three spots.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Mike F

If Columbus wants Bennett as the return for the 3OA, they better not also be asking for the 6OA or they're going to look like amateurs.

Bennett was the 4OA pick 2 years ago, and has done nothing to disappoint. That's not the kind of piece any credible GM suggests as the price to move down three spots.

No kidding.

I call those type of proposals "Shiny New Toy Proposals"

Complete lunacy

[PepsiFree]

Why do people repeatedly believe that teams are willing to look completely incompetent by asking for something like Bennett and 6OA for 3OA?

GMs, even poor GMs, have reputations to maintain if they want to keep dealing with other teams. Otherwise they turn out like the Oilers.

Jarmo isn't a complete idiot.
Most GMs don't want to hear laughter as they're being hung up on mid-conversation.

[kehatch]

Bennett, the 35 pick, and Wideman with 2 million retained for the 3 pick and Hartnell makes sense to me.

Columbus gets a prospect of a similar caliber to Puljujarvi, but one that has two years on him and is a centre. They also get out of the Hartnell contract.

Calgary gets to pick at 3 and 6 and gets an upgrade at wing with Hartnell and Puljujarvi next season. Plus we have the depth at centre to afford the move.

It's a trade that works for both teams in my opinion. It also gives Calgary more options to move down from 6.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Bennett, the 35 pick, and Wideman with 2 million retained for the 3 pick and Hartnell makes sense to me.

Columbus gets a prospect of a similar caliber to Puljujarvi, but one that has two years on him and is a centre. They also get out of the Hartnell contract.

Calgary gets to pick at 3 and 6 and gets an upgrade at wing with Hartnell and Puljujarvi next season. Plus we have the depth at centre to afford the move.

It's a trade that works for both teams in my opinion. It also gives Calgary more options to move down from 6.

No, we don't.

[Mike F]

Random musing, and definitely not giving this a hard sell, but...

Can anyone see Treliving being so high on Puljujärvi, so confident in Bennett and Backlund, and so concerned about near term cap and/or protection issues (edit: If you remove Monahan from the need-to-protect list and go with the eight skaters overall (say, 4 D) and a goalie option, is Calgary better off?) that he trades Monahan essentially straight-up for the 3OA, and walks away from the draft with Puljujärvi, the BPA at 6OA, and whatever he can turn the bushel of 2nds into?

Or is the 1-2 punch of Monahan & Bennett too valuable in a big-centre-rich western conference to give up on?

[dieHARDflameZ]

Why do people seem to think we have all this depth at centre? We have Monahan, Bennett and Backlund as our top three. We move Bennett and all of a sudden things are looking pretty slim.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Bennett, the 35 pick, and Wideman with 2 million retained for the 3 pick and Hartnell makes sense to me.

Columbus gets a prospect of a similar caliber to Puljujarvi, but one that has two years on him and is a centre. They also get out of the Hartnell contract.

Calgary gets to pick at 3 and 6 and gets an upgrade at wing with Hartnell and Puljujarvi next season. Plus we have the depth at centre to afford the move.

It's a trade that works for both teams in my opinion. It also gives Calgary more options to move down from 6.

I have to disagree. Any package for 3rd OA that includes Sam Bennett makes no sense to me. Monahan and Bennett is a great 1-2 punch down the middle, and we all know how important depth down the middle is. As much as I like Backlund, he's not a #2 centre on a contending team. He's a great 3rd line guy who can fill in on the 2nd line when needed. Trading Bennett severely depletes our centre depth.

Also, is part of the appeal of drafting a player like Puljujarvi not to give Bennett better linemates? Sam Bennett isn't being traded for anyone or anything right now. It makes no sense.

[N-E-B]

nm double post

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by Mike F

Random musing, and definitely not giving this a hard sell, but...

Can anyone see Treliving being so high on Puljujärvi, so confident in Bennett and Backlund, and so concerned about near term cap and/or protection issues (edit: If you remove Monahan from the need-to-protect list and go with the eight skaters overall and a goalie option, is Calgary better off?) that he trades Monahan essentially straight-up for the 3OA, and walks away from the draft with Puljujärvi, the BPA at 6OA, and whatever he can turn the bushel of 2nds into?

Or is the 1-2 punch of Monahan & Bennett too valuable in a big-centre-rich western conference to give up on?

There's no way he moves Monahan. We would get murdered at centre ice.

[Samonadreau]

Ya if the ask is Bennett or Monahan it's not happening.

The only other way I see to get 3rd OA is to take on Clarkson and F that.

[Alberta_Beef]

wrong thread

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Even then, that may be too much. Taking Hartnell's contract is probably worth more than a 2nd - two 2nds? Tough to gauge the market on it - and he isn't a completely useless player, but definitely a cap dump. With a lot of teams hurting for cap space this year, I would think cap space will be bought at a premium price.

I really don't think that Hartnel has negative value. He may only bring a 5th or 6th in a straight up trade since he has 3 years left but there is no way they are paying 2 x 2nds just to get rid of him IMO.

[Par]

This draft cannot come soon enough so we can draft the BPA with 6th pick and all of this can end.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by alberta_beef

this isn't exactly a deal that is at the top of my list, but it is the kind of deal i could see wideman being moved in.

To dallas: Dennis wideman
to calgary: Ales hemsky

flames would save 1.25 million against the cap, hemsky still produces in the 35-45 point range and might be a good fit feeding bennett. If hemsky misses time, which he will undoubtedly will, shinkaruk and poirier could get opportunities in his place. Dallas seems short on defensemen and may not sign any of their pending ufas, wideman would would probably fit into their high powered offense. Plus it's a team that wideman might actually waive his nmc for.

wrong thread?

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I have to disagree. Any package for 3rd OA that includes Sam Bennett makes no sense to me. Monahan and Bennett is a great 1-2 punch down the middle, and we all know how important depth down the middle is. As much as I like Backlund, he's not a #2 centre on a contending team. He's a great 3rd line guy who can fill in on the 2nd line when needed. Trading Bennett severely depletes our centre depth.

Also, is part of the appeal of drafting a player like Puljujarvi not to give Bennett better linemates? Sam Bennett isn't being traded for anyone or anything right now. It makes no sense.

Any trade proposal that involves getting the 3 overall pick is going to turn off most CPers because it will involve giving up something we don't want to give up.

Personally I would have to think long and hard over that move and I am not sure I would do it. I really like Bennett. But it is worth considering.

As for depth, the Flames can't afford to keep all of Backlund, Bennett, and Monahan so one of them is getting moved before Backlund goes UFA and that isn't far off. This move spreads out your ELC and let's you extend Backlund.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

wt?

wrong thread

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Dallas seems short on defensemen and may not sign any of their pending UFAs,

They could use a young up and coming guy like Jokipakka

[FlamesNation23]

I can't believe people on this board think that we need to add to Bennett for 3rd overall. Bennett is a proven commodity who is only going to get better and plays a much more important position than Puljujärvi. Why would we trade a guy who literally just turned 20 and seems to be a rising star in the league for an unproven commodity? If the trade was Bennett for 2nd overall then that would be more enticing to me, but I would still prefer to keep Bennet over Laine. The kid is still filling out and watch out once he does

[Vinny01]

If Columbus wants to attach a bad contract to the 3rd pick then that devalues the picks worth. Take on Hartnell and add 2 of the 2nds and perhaps that gets it done.