[Rumour] Flames aggressively trying to move up. UPD: Treliving and Kekelainen meeting on floor

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Philly signed the Hartnell deal that had a NMC. He waived it for the Jackets but it remains in effect today as he has to waive it to go wherever

And wouldn't it also mean that if he agreed to come to us, we'd have to use a protection spot against for him? Count me out if thats the case, we need every one of our protection spots as it is imo.

[Enoch Root]

edit: nm, misread the post

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

And wouldn't it also mean that if he agreed to come to us, we'd have to use a protection spot against for him? Count me out if thats the case, we need every one of our protection spots as it is imo.

I believe you are correct unless he waived his NMC to go to Vegas. Having said that our forward spots are not all locked in yet

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

And wouldn't it also mean that if he agreed to come to us, we'd have to use a protection spot against for him? Count me out if thats the case, we need every one of our protection spots as it is imo.

A handful of posts up show that protection slots for forwards isn't an issue (unless you care about Ferland, Colborne, Poirier... which you shouldn't). A guy like Jokipakka could easily be the target for LV. I would take on Hartnell in a second for Puljujarvi.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Aaron Portzline of the Columbus Dispatch joins Boomer and Pinder in the morning, and says any trade for the Blue Jackets’ 3rd overall pick in the coming NHL draft probably needs to include a top-line center.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/960/boomer-m...third-overall/

[nik-]

yeah, so it's just bluster as usual. They're not trading that pick

[Mattman]

If the Flames keep the 6th I'm fine with that.
If the Flames trade for 3rd I'm fine with that.

What scares me is the "or 4th" part of that rumour. Pullijarvi isn't slipping to 4 and Takachuk doesn't seem too amazing to move up just two spots.

...unless somehow Treliving sticks the Oilers with Raymond, Engelland or Wideman in that deal then I'll be fine with it.

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

A handful of posts up show that protection slots for forwards isn't an issue (unless you care about Ferland, Colborne, Poirier... which you shouldn't). A guy like Jokipakka could easily be the target for LV. I would take on Hartnell in a second for Puljujarvi.

Monahan, Bennett, Backlund, Frolik, Gaudreau, Brodie, Gio, Hamilton, New Goalie/Gillies. That leaves 2 open spots if we want to go with the 7f 3d option. However, what happens if Kevin has a break out year? What happens if Ferland or another expansion eligible forward has a break out year?

Personally, I'd rather not tie up all but 1 spot, because it could leave us in a sticky situation. If we have spots open, we could be sitting pretty should any teams get into trouble and need to offload a decent player to avoid them being exposed.

And even moving past expansion, yeah the contract is just about do-able next season, but that still leaves 2 years of hefty salary on what could be a declining player in a year or so. Just not comfortable about lumbering ourselves with that contract, doesn't it say a lot that team that was worse than us last season feels its an anchor and probably wants to get rid of it?

[Major Happy]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

http://www.sportsnet.ca/960/boomer-m...third-overall/

So, yea, nothing is gonna happen.

[keratosis]

Undoubtedly

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Originally Posted by Major Happy

So, yea, nothing is gonna happen.

Maybe something happens. If some team out there has a 1st line center they are willing to part with, or someone makes Columbus an offer that turns them into a contender overnight / helps them win games immediately. Sounds like they feel pressure to win right away and have no patience for a rebuild. Obviously Calgary is in no position to give up what it is likely going to take.

Its been fun to discuss though.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by nik-

yeah, so it's just bluster as usual. They're not trading that pick

Well, it does include a 1st line C - Logan Brown...

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by AC

I'd happily take #3 and Hartnell if it didn't cripple our cap.

Buyout Wideman to make it work?

6OA, Backlund, 2 2nds to CBJ for 3 OA , Hartnell

Wideman (1/2 retained) and a 4th to AZ for 3rd

6.2 out

4.75 in

Gain Pulujarvi, Hartnell and 1.4ish in cap space.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

It used to be that if a player waives his NTC to go to a new team, that team was no longer under obligation to the NTC. It had been waived.

Is it the same for a full NMC? If a team picks up a Hartnell, is the NMC void?

When a player waives a NTC, the NTC is automatically removed and it is up to the team receiving the player to reinstate it.

When a player waives a NMC, it follows the player automatically.

So yes, Hartnell would indeed keep his NMC if Calgary (or any other team) acquires him, and therefore would need to be protected.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

When people like Sidney Crosby talk about how good they think Backlund is it does make it seem like he'd be a tough one to give up. That said Puljujarvi will be the real deal and elevate our offence to that next gear we need. I think you pull the trigger.

Did this actually happen? Do you have a source? Pretty big compliment I'd true

[Lanny_McDonald]

Guess we're taking a player with the 6th, because I can't see them moving Bennett to get a crack at Poolboy.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Backlund is a really steep price to pay to move up 3 spots, especially when you start including 2nds and a contract dump with a NMC coming the other way.

Backlund is a fairly elite defensive center that has a lot of speed, IQ, and a non-stop motor. He seems like a really good character guy as well. Stajan can NOT fill his shoes any longer. Maybe 2 or 3 years ago, but not today. Stajan is not as fast, nor is he as good defensively or offensively now.

I am eager to see a Colborne - Backlund - Frolik line to start the year and see if they continue from where they left off. That line reminded me a lot of the Flames' team in Keenan's last year with a great all-round line that chipped in really well offensively.

As for Jankowski stepping in and taking over Backlund's role down the line - he hasn't done it yet. Plus, I think Jankowski might be a great 1st/2nd line winger to help solve the top 6 issues down the line, and give those lines a bit of a defensive look with a secondary option for faceoffs when the center on the line gets tossed.

I am all over moving up to 6, but I think the trade proposals are a bit drastic.

I am also against buyouts, but if that is what it took to make a deal work with Columbus, I would be on board as well.

I don't usually make trade proposals, but this seems more likely to me as to what it took:

To Calgary:
3OA + Hartnell

To Columbus:
6OA + 35OA + Poirier/Shinkaruk/Klimchuk + Wotherspoon/Kulak/

Even then, that may be too much. Taking Hartnell's contract is probably worth more than a 2nd - two 2nds? Tough to gauge the market on it - and he isn't a completely useless player, but definitely a cap dump. With a lot of teams hurting for cap space this year, I would think cap space will be bought at a premium price.

Backlund to me is probably worth around a~15th overall pick. I mean, picking around there you would hope that you draft a Backlund, more or less.

So breaking down the trade in value (by my estimates)

3OA < 6OA + 15OA + 3 2nd round picks

That seems like an awful lot to move up to me. Might be 4 2nd round picks depending on how you value Hartnell's contract dump. Backlund would be overkill I think, and would leave a huge gaping hole as the defacto premier defensive center for Gulutzan to match lines with.

I think 6OA + Backlund = 3OA.

6OA + 2nd + Anderrsen/Kylington = 3OA (though I would cry)

Just my opinion anyways.

[dammage79]

Would rather trade down and somehow use the extra value to get the goalie I think the Flames are going to get screwed over trying to find.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Backlund is a really steep price to pay to move up 3 spots, especially when you start including 2nds and a contract dump with a NMC coming the other way.

Backlund is a fairly elite defensive center that has a lot of speed, IQ, and a non-stop motor. He seems like a really good character guy as well. Stajan can NOT fill his shoes any longer. Maybe 2 or 3 years ago, but not today. Stajan is not as fast, nor is he as good defensively or offensively now.

I am eager to see a Colborne - Backlund - Frolik line to start the year and see if they continue from where they left off. That line reminded me a lot of the Flames' team in Keenan's last year with a great all-round line that chipped in really well offensively.

As for Jankowski stepping in and taking over Backlund's role down the line - he hasn't done it yet. Plus, I think Jankowski might be a great 1st/2nd line winger to help solve the top 6 issues down the line, and give those lines a bit of a defensive look with a secondary option for faceoffs when the center on the line gets tossed.

I am all over moving up to 6, but I think the trade proposals are a bit drastic.

I am also against buyouts, but if that is what it took to make a deal work with Columbus, I would be on board as well.

I don't usually make trade proposals, but this seems more likely to me as to what it took:

To Calgary:
3OA + Hartnell

To Columbus:
6OA + 35OA + Poirier/Shinkaruk/Klimchuk + Wotherspoon/Kulak/

Even then, that may be too much. Taking Hartnell's contract is probably worth more than a 2nd - two 2nds? Tough to gauge the market on it - and he isn't a completely useless player, but definitely a cap dump. With a lot of teams hurting for cap space this year, I would think cap space will be bought at a premium price.

Backlund to me is probably worth around a~15th overall pick. I mean, picking around there you would hope that you draft a Backlund, more or less.

So breaking down the trade in value (by my estimates)

3OA < 6OA + 15OA + 3 2nd round picks

That seems like an awful lot to move up to me. Might be 4 2nd round picks depending on how you value Hartnell's contract dump. Backlund would be overkill I think, and would leave a huge gaping hole as the defacto premier defensive center for Gulutzan to match lines with.

I think 6OA + Backlund = 3OA.

6OA + 2nd + Anderrsen/Kylington = 3OA (though I would cry)

Just my opinion anyways.

Hartnell isn't a "cap dump" in the usual sense. He is just a piece on a team that needs space for other reasons that can be moved to gain assets as well.

he is a very good player which is miles ahead of "not useless".

I think many undervalue what the guy does...he is a complete player and a locker room leader.

[GoJetsGo]

Yea a lot of people seem to be missing that Pullijarvi and Hartnell would be an immediate boost to our top six.

Hartnell paired with Bennett would be a good match and a very difficult line to play against. Would also be a great mentor for Sam.