Merry Christmas and I'm thankful for all of you.

[GGG]

Deleting the accounts makes sense if he was being harassed or threatened by people. Guilty or innocent it would be reasonable to delete as much of your footprint as you can.

[sun]

I noticed when he set up the gofundme here, the limit was set at $x000 (don't remember specifics, was it 2k?). He said he was going to shut it down and didn't. The number climbed past the limit and he still didn't shut down. I feel like it reached 1.5x and still kept creeping up.

I'm not sure he's the worst person ever. But definitely a doofus and definitely handled this about as poorly as possible. Certainly not a "long con", but probably realized how easy it was to get free money the first time and "went to the well" too often and too readily - especially after some dummy financial decisions following the the influx of cash. Easy come, easy go, and all that (been there). This Christmas thread obviously pushed it too far as it seemed like he was gearing up for some more donations. Lots of shadiness, manipulations, and half-truths.

The sob story about his GF cheating on him isn't relevant and is a plea for sympathy. Ditto the how and why he lost his job (for being such a swell guy). The fact that he bailed and changed his avatar and everything before explaining himself was BS as well. Thought the tone of his response was rather dismissive and unapologetic too. Pretty ####ty.

I only needed a little just so I could get in the apartment. I had a blanket and pillows and I was just going to sleep on the floor until I could get items bit by bit. but with the tremendous outpouring I was able to get items for the house. I didn't realize how much everything was going to cost, I had no towels, bowls etc.. I literally started over fresh. I didn't use the money for anything else except housing stuff.

Buy one towel and one bowl then. One stool to eat at your island. Don't buy a frame, buy a mattress, and so on. Lots of gaps in his response, but I am tired and kinda drunk and no one is reading this far anyways.

[topfiverecords]

So he got engaged to the girl that cheated on him?

[afc wimbledon]

Never donated because, well I basically limit my help to people I know that are in my circle, ex foster kids and the like as I no longer trust, well anyone else.

It is a shame though, every now and then I get hit up by someone at Safeway needing bus fare or money to go to a job interview or the like, I feel like an ass for not helping but it's always a scam, that's the part that makes me mad, I could care less about the ######bag, but they are screwing over people who really need help.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

PIMking's response.

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Ian's response was 1,841 words. Not one of them were remorseful. Not one of them took ownership for his actions. Not one of them were written for any point other than trying to justify his actions. Th first 1,500 (exactly per MS Word) words narrated a time that had absolutely nothing to do with what I, and presumably others here, are upset about. They simply offer up an excuse and timeline of things that absolutely do not affect anything. It further proves Ian is neither contrite, nor feels he has done anything wrong. Like many of his posts, he plays the victim card.

Here are questions I still have, as they were not answered in his statement. These are all specific questions addressed to Ian Demler.

Did you start at least three go fund me pages?

How many Go Fund Me pages did you set up?

When you set up the go fund me page on CalgaryPuck that raised $3,740, plus the amounts that were sent directly via PayPal and other methods, were you aware of the previous two (or more than two) pages on Go Fund Me?

If you were aware of the previous Go Fund Me pages, why did you lie about the knowledge of them?

Why were the two most recent Go Fund Me pages (the ones totaling $2,375 and $3,740) set up with different accounts?

Why did you post the exact same post on multiple forums, that helped you solicit money?

Which model of the iPhone do you have?

How much did the iPhone cost you?

Do you deny drinking the purple Gatorade in your gym picture?

Why do you have two accounts on gatorcountry.com?

What do you think of the gatorcountry.com thread (that's been deleted) that calls you out for trying to ask for money on another Go Fund Me page?

Why is there a video of you masturbating on the internet?

Has your girlfriend been working since January 2015?

You state everything started in August 2014. What does this have to do with you trying to solicit funds from CP, gatorcountry, and other websites? How are these explanations for the setup of Go Fund Me pages in 2015?

Why do you think you won't have a job soon?

Are you living at the same address that you did in July 2015?

I'll have more questions later, but these are the ones I have off the top of my head. It really bothers me that you have no admission of guilt, that you don't think you did anything wrong, and that you conned many CP, and other forum members, out of thousands of dollars. You never offered up an explanation of why you did these things, other than someone wronged you 18 months ago. You should be ashamed of yourself. Your email leaves more questions than answers.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by sun

I noticed when he set up the gofundme here, the limit was set at $x000 (don't remember specifics, was it 2k?). He said he was going to shut it down and didn't. The number climbed past the limit and he still didn't shut down. I feel like it reached 1.5x and still kept creeping up.

The limit was set at a $1,000 but was surprised when the donations went beyond the limit and wasn't closed. It did make me wonder if he just forgot or wether he was milking it for as much money as he could get.

I wish he was honest as I know believe he was trying to get as much money as he could from us.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Jbo

Okay so we got a response. There is just a few things that don't work.

Why post to multiple boards the exact same message? (At least 3?)

Why delete Facebook, twitter, CP, etc. Acts of a guilty party. He had a chance to post a response when he viewed the thread and took everything down.

As others have mentioned, timelines don't add up.

Whatever, don't think he will be back, and seems like a back peddle, after so much fury was raised.

His response was "feel sorry for me" with the violins playing in the background. No taking accountability for his actions and just deflection after deflection.

Saying he didn't want to start another gofundme and only did it becuase someone suggested he should is a cop out.

I might have had some sympathy for him if he took responsibility for his actions but he didn't.

[Looch City]

His response reads like a sob story on imgur looking for upvotes.

Be a man and admit it, you were milking people for money.

[SHOGUN]

Personally, I think he's doing this for enjoyment not money.

[Peanut]

I only made it about halfway through his "explanation" post because the BS and drama was too exhausting and not even relevant to the situation. TL;DR, and also I really just don't care about the exceptionally unlucky medical history, relationship history, and employment history. So exceptionally unlucky that it's all just unbelievable.

What a loser.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

So he got engaged to the girl that cheated on him?

This is the part that confuses me the most. He says he broke up with gf1 in April. In July was living with a female family friend whose husband thought he was into her. By mid October he's engaged. So he'd been with gf2 for, I guess, no more than 2 months before pulling the trigger?

Stranger things have happened I suppose but... hmm...

[Dion]

Originally Posted by dobbles

I do think this issue has obviously spiraled out of control. There's a lot bad on all sides. But at the end of the day, in my opinion, this was not something that started as a deceitful plan. Was he stupid with how he handled the windfall? Sure. Did he try to milk people for extra after receiving the initial support. Perhaps. But I don't think the way he is being portrayed here is accurate.

How is it not accurate? Nothing in his emailed response showed any understanding/appreciation of the anger that was posted here. Many of us here had some legitimate concerns and he addressed none of that.

He clearly thinks he did nothing wrong in milking us for all the extra money that went well beyond just getting a place to live. When you total rent and the deposit required there was quite a bit of money left over. Lets remember he was given close to $5,000 tax free.

He could have told us why he didn't set a limit for donations. That alone doesn't make him look good in the eyes of this community.

He created the gofundme page because someone told him too. Would he have jumped off a bridge if someone told him also? Not likely!

A person who says "flame away" or "chill out" clearly doesn't give damn what what we think!

[ben voyonsdonc]

I really do feel for people who go through experiences like PIMking- when I was a kid, I went through similar experiences. I hope that he is on the path to getting his life in order.

I wish he would have come here and dealt with the situation in person. He has been a member here for many years and I think most of us would have been pretty open to listening to him explain the situation. Instead, he went into hiding and deleted his fundraising pages which didn't look good.

We've been left with many questions. For example, why did he start the fundraiser on October 1st - the same day that he announced on facebook that he was ready to move in to a place?

Spoiler!

Later in the thread after someone called him out on his previous use of fundraising websites, he explained that he needed to furnish his apartment. This may be a reasonable explanation but creating a very sad thread about homelessness and creating a fundraiser called "Help Ian Find a Home" is very different from telling people that he needs some dishes and furniture and is rather misleading.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

I really do feel for people who go through experiences like PIMking- when I was a kid, I went through similar experiences. I hope that he is on the path to getting his life in order.

I wish he would have come here and dealt with the situation in person. He has been a member here for many years and I think most of us would have been pretty open to listening to him explain the situation. Instead, he went into hiding and deleting his fundraising pages which didn't look good.

We've been left with many questions. For example, why did he start the fundraiser on October 1st - the same day that he announced on facebook that he was ready to move in to a place?

Spoiler!

Later in the thread after someone called him out on his previous use of fundraising websites, he explained that he needed to furnish his apartment. This may be a reasonable explanation but creating a very sad thread about homelessness and creating a fundraiser called "Help Ian Find a Home" is very different from telling people that he needs some dishes and furniture and is rather misleading.

Prople are just in deniel at this point. The ones defending I mean.

[Huntingwhale]

PIM's email was never going to garner a good response. I can write emails and blabber on all day also. He took the time to write it in a style that suggests he's the victim in all this and to me that's very telling. Not taking responsibility for his actions. And just deflecting everything. The guy f'd up and still isn't straight up admitting it. It's a con job. We all got conned. Period. The world is full of people like him.

I figured when the original fund was setup that it was a con. But then everyone started donating. I figured he's been around a while, he's not some new guy. It must all be legit. So I donated as well. But his actions afterwards are the actions of a guilty man. He doesn't get the benefit of the doubt until he straight up comes in and admits the truth. But he won't. People like him don't do that. He didn't even use the word sorry once in that ramble. A ramble where 75% of it had nothing to do with what happened.

So Ian, I don't know you. You don't know me. But you managed to get $25 off of me. Congrats. It doesn't come close to what guys like Locke and Dion gave you. But if you need to do things like this to get by in life, then you obviously need the money more then I do. More then anything I feel sorry for you that it has come down to this. And it's 100% your own fault.

Also, I'm interested to see if you spin this story a couple years down the road should you decide to tell anyone, and how you will make it seem like you are the victim yet again. I've got a friend just like you who makes it known to everyone that the world is against her all the time and for some reason she can't keep a job either. She's got a vicious cycle of problems and drama circling her everyday. I can't help but feel you're in the same boat. Enjoy.

[rubecube]

Dude was also making posts on his Facebook page or gators account about planning a dream wedding in Sicily next year. As others have said, there's just so much that doesn't add up, and the fact that he refused to address any of the concerns and questions the board had in favour of letting everyone know how bad he's had it is telling.

[sureLoss]

Yeah his response wasn't going to do much.

PIMking has been caught using an iphone 6s at a gym, having an xbox one in his facebook timeline, planning a wedding in Sicily; all within a couple of months after receiving a bailout from generous people meant to help him avoid living out of his car. Then he hinted he needed more financial assistance.

All the vitriol aimed toward him is completely understandable.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Can't fix stupid.

[JohnnyB]

The response reads to me like a guy who is concerned about trying to employ sympathy to dissuade people from doing anything to cause him further harm. I didn't give him any money and I have no personal gripe but I can't say i see anything but a guy who consciously took advantage of people. Whatever extenuating circumstances may or may not exist, it is certainly not the behaviour of a straightforward and honest person. Wouldn't trust the guy as far as I could throw one of those shaved and rippling legs.

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

Why is there a video of you masturbating on the internet?