CP Mafia 4 - The Unknown Host - Game Over!

[SebC]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

You planning on voting today?

Ye of little faith.

[devo22]

so we have 4 votes on activeStick and GirlySports each.

I'm torn here, I could see reasoning for each of them at this point. Like I wrote previously, I found GirlySports' absence really weird. Posts a lot in the beginning, goes missing in the thread for two days and after I vote for because of that, she just pops up again and acts as if nothing has happened ... except for the generic "It's been quiet in here so I didn't post either". Maybe I'm reading too much into this.

And then of course there's activeStick, and I could easily get behind a lynch here as well. It's pretty funny that he himself points to how he's played the game previously, because that comment actually reminded me of the one where he played Medvedev in the NHL game. He also started very slow in that one ... and didn't exactly turn out to be town back then. And even without that background, going only by his posts in this thread, I just have a weird feeling about him.

Since it's midnight already over here and I'm off to bed soon, I'll have to decide and give my vote right now. Going with gut feeling:

vote activeStick

so that's the 5th vote for him. In any case, please allow for a deathbed post!

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by devo22

so that's the 5th vote for him. In any case, please allow for a deathbed post!

Just a quick note that a 6th vote for anyone doesn't hammer them, that requires 9 votes. A 6th vote only triggers a lynch once we get to the deadline, so that still gives someone getting lynched the maximum time to make a death post.

[Party Elephant]

With 2 players emerging as frontrunners, it'll be interesting to see if more voters switch to the popular options or stick with their original suspicions knowing that person won't be lynched. If a blind lynch is better than no lynch, will those advocating it align their vote accordingly? I'm thinking of GGG and ECF specifically.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Just a quick note that a 6th vote for anyone doesn't hammer them, that requires 9 votes. A 6th vote only triggers a lynch once we get to the deadline, so that still gives someone getting lynched the maximum time to make a death post.

I know, that's why I wrote "in any case" we've all seen quick pile-ons late to the deadline in earlier games, so who knows.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by SebC

Ye of little faith.

I have little faith you'll do anything given your history. You haven't given thoughts on who you think is scum or town. You have used a few cliches and have posted about how you don't think people should be posting. Many of your posts are in response to asking why you aren't posting.

Originally Posted by SebC

Hello people, checking in and catching up. If I'm in invisible, the aliens can't see me, right? (invisible mode)

Originally Posted by SebC

While Mazrim has encouraged us to be active, I have another idea. What if, instead of maximizing the signal, we try to minimize the noise? That way, if the hosts want to stear the ship, they'll be easy to spot as they do it. In practical terms, what this means is that a late lynch with little hinting as to who it might be will either be less susceptible to mafia manipulations, or the manipulations would have to be obvious.

Originally Posted by SebC

Oh just a heads up, I'm generally out Sunday noon-midnight and Monday 6pm-midnight, so will be inactive during those times. Hopefully this won't be too much of a liability.

Originally Posted by SebC

Should have taken my own advice and laid low. I'm creating more noise than I would like.

Originally Posted by SebC

Want to bring this up now: I'd like to allow for deathbed confessions.

Originally Posted by SebC

A bigger haystack doesn't help you find the needle.

Originally Posted by SebC

I'll share my thoughts when I feel it advantageous to do so. If I explain my ideas fully before they can come to fruition, then they are less likely to yield the results I am seeking.

But I'll give you this much: "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."

Originally Posted by SebC

If we assume that scum would not do scummy things, then everything becomes WIFOM. Noise.

Originally Posted by SebC

One of the strengths of a good townie is recognizing the difference between scum, and townies with a different playstyle. I'm anti-dogma. It's good to develop thoeries, but keep an open mind to the alternatives.

Originally Posted by SebC

Jokes about being scum make it harder to nail actual slip-ups. It's noise.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

With 2 players emerging as frontrunners, it'll be interesting to see if more voters switch to the popular options or stick with their original suspicions knowing that person won't be lynched. If a blind lynch is better than no lynch, will those advocating it align their vote accordingly? I'm thinking of GGG and ECF specifically.

I don't think I worded this very well. Just skimmed over the thread for the posters who insist that we have to lynch someone on day 1, but who aren't aligned with either of the frontrunners. GGG and ECF have both posted that it's better to blindly lynch someone than have no lynch, and are both currently voting for people with one vote each. Will either of them change to ensure a lynch?

[Oling_Roachinen]

unvote
Vote Activestick

I'd prefer someone get lynched then not and it's looking like between activestick and girlysports. I disagree a lot with Girlysports thoughts, but I think it comes closer to pessimistic vs optimistic view of spore.

[East Coast Flame]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

With 2 players emerging as frontrunners, it'll be interesting to see if more voters switch to the popular options or stick with their original suspicions knowing that person won't be lynched. If a blind lynch is better than no lynch, will those advocating it align their vote accordingly? I'm thinking of GGG and ECF specifically.

In my case, I don't feel great about either of the frontrunners at the moment so I don't want to change my vote yet.

I'm kind of amazed at the free pass that SebC, Lego and Peanut seem to be getting

[GirlySports]

Devo: those two days were Saturday/Sunday I would be talking to myself as the spore discussion had died down.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

In my case, I don't feel great about either of the frontrunners at the moment so I don't want to change my vote yet.

I'm kind of amazed at the free pass that SebC, Lego and Peanut seem to be getting

SebC I have no idea what he is doing, so I am waiting to see what's going to happen. Lego I expect more from so I am giving him a chance to step it up based on a couple of his posts. I'm willing to give Peanut a pass for this vote since I'm hoping she is just new to the game and trying to figure it out.

Next round however if this keeps up I have to assume this is how they are playing the game and I'll adjust my opinion as needed.

[bizaro86]

Seb is a bright guy, I keep expecting to see a genius mega post out of him. This is different from what I expected from him.

Peanut and Lego will need to start posting or be challenged. I picked activestick at random as a low poster then felt his responses were weak so kept the vote on.

We should do the same for any remaining inactives tomorrow, imo.

Why should they post? There's enough to get a lynch. They sit back until active is killed and then say "Oops, my bad. I'm (new, tired, working, different time zone or what ever excuse)" and then all will be forgiven.

[GGG]

unvote

My first two targets are going no where. I'm willing to move to ensure a lynch but I think there are better targets. I find SebC play unacceptable and will be voting for him until he votes. There are different strategies and styles of play and not everyone is going to publish full lists like HG has but providing no information to the group is not acceptable

vote SebC

[SebC]

Originally Posted by GGG

unvote

My first two targets are going no where. I'm willing to move to ensure a lynch but I think there are better targets. I find SebC play unacceptable and will be voting for him until he votes. There are different strategies and styles of play and not everyone is going to publish full lists like HG has but providing no information to the group is not acceptable

vote SebC

I have no information that is not available to everyone else. There is no information that I can give you. So it's not information that you seek. Now, if you believe that my logic is worth issuing an ultimatum to extract, should it not also follow that I am competent to determine the appropriate timing to reveal it?

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by SebC

I have no information that is not available to everyone else. There is no information that I can give you. So it's not information that you seek. Now, if you believe that my logic is worth issuing an ultimatum to extract, should it not also follow that I am competent to determine the appropriate timing to reveal it?

I read this post about 4 times and I'm still not quite sure what the heck Seb is talking about? Cryptic messages like this are not going to help anyone out. I thought Seb was just laying back a bit and trying to reduce the noise, but a post like this is almost nothing but noise.

[Hockeyguy15]

I just don't think Seb is a host because I can't see his strategy sitting well with 2 other hosts. He doesn't say anything, but by acting this way he brings a lot of attention his way. It's one of the most bizarre ways to play hands down.

[GGG]

Seb i want to you to vote for someone to create a record. Some logic behind the vote would help. But even a naked vote creates a record.

I dont really care what your opinion is only that you have one so you can be held accountable for it.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

I read this post about 4 times and I'm still not quite sure what the heck Seb is talking about? Cryptic messages like this are not going to help anyone out. I thought Seb was just laying back a bit and trying to reduce the noise, but a post like this is almost nothing but noise.

Actually, what I am saying is that I'm not going to produce noise simply because it might take some pressure off. I believe that would be counterproductive, so I'm sticking to my guns here.

GGG (like HG15 and ECF) is either asking me to produce noise because he wants a noisy thread, or believes that my logic and theories are valuable, yet also believes he is better positioned than I am to assess when I should release them. If I'm smart enough to come up with something valuable (on day 1, no less), something worth issuing an ultimatum to get, then I'm likely smart enough to know whether I should let it develop, or share it with the town.

I'm not averse to being cryptic, because if everyone knows what I'm thinking then there's no town advantage, but if only one person understands then it's a good chance that person will be a townie and we'll effectively become masons. That post, however, was not cryptic.

[dissentowner]

SebC is definitely being strange. Not sure what to make of it though.