Anti-Redskins add to run during game 3 of NBA finals

[nik-]

Worst new poster award goes to ......

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Trumbull

And I'd venture an educated guess it wasn't natives who made the big deal about it in the first place.

Originally Posted by Trumbull

So some 40+ years into a team's existence some group of people (highly likely it wasn't natives) suddenly saying it's this racially disparaging term is quite a surprise.

Ok that is twice now, maybe provide a source, please.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Ok that is twice now, maybe provide a source, please.

We all know that mikey doesn't do sources.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Trumbull

Of course, reasonable arguments are moot.. someone is offended! And thus commence with the argument of hysteria which is getting rather boring now.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Trumbull

Language is relative, which is why, in intelligent circles, it's based on intent and that society's interpretation of those words.

Which circles are these exactly? Your argument might have merit if the team didn't know that it was offensive to Native Americans, but you can't pull the "well I don't think it's racist because it's not my intent" when you know you're actively offending a segment of the population.

[PsYcNeT]

I supposed we'd all have to go to more MENSA meetings to find this elusive group of intellectuals who sit around all day patting themselves on the back about how racism is just a social construct.

[Trumbull]

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/...ins-is-a-slur/

What gets far less attention, though, is this:
There are Native American schools that call their teams Redskins. The term is used affectionately by some natives, similar to the way the N-word is used by some African-Americans. In the only recent poll to ask native people about the subject, 90 percent of respondents did not consider the term offensive, although many question the cultural credentials of the respondents.
All of which underscores the oft-overlooked diversity within Native America.
“Marginalized communities are too often treated monolithically,” said Carter Meland, a professor of American Indian Studies at the University of Minnesota.
“Stories on the mascot issue always end up exploring whether it is right or it is wrong, respectful or disrespectful,” said Meland, an Ojibwe Indian.
He believes Indian mascots are disrespectful, but said: “It would be interesting to get a sense of the diversity of opinion within a native community.”

Translation: Natives don't think the word is offensive, if anything, they get mad at anyone using natives in their team logos due to not wanting their people commercialized.

This is on par with other movements in the US to rid of natives from logos.

I wouldn't treat the native movement here the same as the US. They are looked at quite differently.

[Trumbull]

Oops, have offended eskimos now, what timing:

http://globalnews.ca/news/1404419/co...o-change-name/

EDMONTON — The cancellation of the Washington Redskins’ patent on its team name has some calling for the Edmonton Eskimos to consider a name change.

The U.S. Patent Office ruled Wednesday the Redskins name is “disparaging of Native Americans” and cancelled the team’s federal trademarks.

The ruling came after a year-long campaign to change the name.

The decision prompted some social media users to call on the Eskimos to drop their name, which has been in use since 1897.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Trumbull

Oops, have offended eskimos now, what timing:

http://globalnews.ca/news/1404419/co...o-change-name/

And this is a bad thing because?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Trumbull

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/...ins-is-a-slur/


Translation: Natives don't think the word is offensive, if anything, they get mad at anyone using natives in their team logos due to not wanting their people commercialized.

This is on par with other movements in the US to rid of natives from logos.

I wouldn't treat the native movement here the same as the US. They are looked at quite differently.

Good job conveniently ignoring the quotes in that article that dispute the findings of that poll as well the statement from an actual Native American on whether they find the term offensive. There are other studies with contrasting numbers but, as Maritime said, what is the acceptable threshold for % of the offended Native Americans who find it offensive? Would you change your opinion if a study came out that demonstrated 100% approval among Native Americans for the team to change their name, or would you still insist they just need to get over it?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

And this is a bad thing because?

Because PC hysteria Obama something.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

As far as I can tell on a quick google search, protests started in 1988 by members of Native American tribes.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=7004,3473932

I'm sure others more familiar can fill us in.

I found a story that argues the dispute began to no later than the 1960s. In fact, it has been argued that the Washington Redskins trademarked the name in response to protests against native imagery in sports - of which the Washington Redskins name was specifically brought up as being one of the worst offenders.

http://web.archive.org/web/200710101...?id=1096411092

[Trumbull]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Good job conveniently ignoring the quotes in that article that dispute the findings of that poll as well the statement from an actual Native American on whether they find the term offensive. There are other studies with contrasting numbers but, as Maritime said, what is the acceptable threshold for % of the offended Native Americans who find it offensive? Would you change your opinion if a study came out that demonstrated 100% approval among Native Americans for the team to change their name, or would you still insist they just need to get over it?

0% is an appropriate threshold, people should be polled every year whether or not they find a name offensive. If one single voter votes it's offensive, name should be forcefully changed. Numbers are irrelevant, whether or not people actually use the word in question as interpreted by the opposed is irrelevant, think of the offended people! We must obey.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I found a story that argues the dispute began to no later than the 1960s. In fact, it has been argued that the Washington Redskins trademarked the name in response to protests against native imagery in sports - of which the Washington Redskins name was specifically brought up as being one of the worst offenders.

http://web.archive.org/web/200710101...?id=1096411092

Pfft....next you're going to tell me that empirical evidence trumps anecdotal testimony.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Trumbull

0% is an appropriate threshold, people should be polled every year whether or not they find a name offensive. If one single voter votes it's offensive, name should be forcefully changed. Numbers are irrelevant, whether or not people actually use the word in question as interpreted by the opposed is irrelevant, think of the offended people! We must obey.

Okay, so then you have no problem with me owning a sports team called the Victoria Nazis and using traditional, stereotypical German images as my logo, so long as I don't find the term Nazi offensive?

[Trumbull]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Okay, so then you have no problem with me owning a sports team called the Victoria Nazis and using traditional, stereotypical German images as my logo, so long as I don't find the term Nazi offensive?

Nazi is not really offensive to people in the US, as much as people try to make it so.

Using it in Germany and neighbouring countries would be another thing altogether.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Trumbull

Nazi is not really offensive to people in the US, as much as people try to make it so.

Using it in Germany and neighbouring countries would be another thing altogether.

So you're saying German ex-pats and descendants in the U.S. and Canada wouldn't have an issue with it?

[Table 5]

I think the people who accused this guy of being Strombad owe an apology to Strombad.

[jayswin]

I haven't seen anyone like this on CP in a long time. I think Rubecube may have nailed with his MikeytheRedneck guess.

[rubecube]

My analogy isn't even really comparable because it's not like Germans or Nazis were persecuted based solely on their race, but it's the closest white equivalent I could think of.