Congresswoman and 17 others shot in Arizona

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

The 9 year old girl was the granddaughter of Dallas Green. He was the manager of the Philadelphia Phillies who won the World Series in 1980.

Yup here's a link.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big...urn=mlb-305133

Also, her father is a scout for the Dodgers and she was born on 9/11/01. Crazy.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Even David Frum, considered by many an architect of contemporary U.S. Conservative opinion, thinks the rhetoric is getting out of hand.

FrumForum

It sounds like an innocent play on words.

Gee, ya think? Mr. Kelly poses with semi-automatic rifles in his literature and whose campaign slogan was "Elect a Warrior."

There's absolutely no doubt it was intentional, cynical and gratuitous use of aggressive rhetoric.

[transplant99]

County supersedes municipality law enforcement in every way in Arizona. County would be in the middle of this investigation and the Sheriff would be front and center. Something this high profile he would be on scene and assume command of the investigation. He would have access to all information and would know all the facts available before making a statement.

Nope.

This baby is all on the FBI and has been since the get go....and rightfully so. Theyhave resources and the ability to access things that local law enforcement simply cannot.

Local authorities took custody of 22-year-old suspect Jared Lee Loughner at the scene, law enforcement sources said. The Pima County Sheriff's Department said the suspect had been transferred to FBI custody.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by pylon

How come we never, ever hear stories about you guys saving the day, and actually stopping one of these lunatics?

There were earlier reports that someone from the crowd fired at the shooter. I can't find anything now though.

Again, less access to firearms might have prevented this guy from shooting someone on this day, but it still doesn't solve the overall problem of gun violence.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

No need to assume, it's already happening (regardless if this murderer was motivated by her rhetoric or not). Her tweet encouraging conservatives to "RELOAD!" was purged from her Twitter feed earlier today.

This is how it originally appeared, for anyone wondering:

This should be posted all over the internet.

How can someone be so stupid to say something so insanely stupid after an incident like this? Geez.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by Azure

This should be posted all over the internet.

How can someone be so stupid to say something so insanely stupid after an incident like this? Geez.

It wasn't posted after this shooting. It's several months old and was originally posted in 2010 prior to the November election.

It's still irresponsible at best.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

This is so true. This is more about the people versus the political establishment more than anything.

The statement "the more things change, the more they stay the same" describes America accurately. The democrat/republican parties are just the left/right arm of the same corporate body, and Americans are seeing that their votes don't change much, and as a result comes unrest and violence.

1 dude /= Americans

[Reggie Dunlop]

FBI Director Robert Mueller, called in to lead the investigation, echoes in many ways Sheriff Dupnick's sentiments regarding the growing culture of hate. LINK

Also, looks like the search for the second suspect is being called off, and ut is believed Loughner acted alone.

[stamphater]

A little shocked to hear he was able to pull all that off with only a Glock 9.

[Stimpy]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Nope.

This baby is all on the FBI and has been since the get go....and rightfully so. Theyhave resources and the ability to access things that local law enforcement simply cannot.

Nope.

I guess you didn't read further into my post where I said that the FBI would have assumed jurisdictional control over this. That control would have been transferred later in the day, long after the local Sheriff's office had established control and begun the investigation. The Feds don't just sit around drinking coffee waiting for something like this to happen. They have to wait for information to come in from local law enforcement and react accordingly. Only after being notified by local law enforcement that an attempt on a member of congress was made and a federal judge was assassinated would the FBI put together a task force to deal with this. The investigation would have begun immediately, without the FBI involvement, and then transferred when the two agencies had a understand what had just happened. There aren't G-men driving around in Crown Victorias wearing bad suits waiting for something to happen and responding to calls. It takes time for them to react and assign the right people for the job. I suspect a lot of those bodies would also be coming out of Phoenix rather than Tucson.

Also, the FBI provides local law enforcement access to many of the same data bases that the feds use. This is part of the NCIC data sharing program started years ago and includes N-Dex and case files. The feds have the advantage of getting quick warrants cross state lines and have the best and bright in specialists and forensic investigators but they still have to rely on local law enforcement to get a lot of things done, especially when a crime just happens.

[Montana Moe]

Sounds like he had a 30 round extended magazine. With 9mm rounds being known for their "through and through" capabilities, he wouldn't have had to be very accurate at all.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by stamphater

A little shocked to hear he was able to pull all that off with only a Glock 9.

Why?
It's a gun with a 30 bullet clip, imagine had he got the new clip in before he was tackled.

[stamphater]

Originally Posted by T@T

Why?
It's a gun with a 30 bullet clip, imagine had he got the new clip in before he was tackled.

Mostly because they are known to be less than accurate. Did not know they could hold 30 though.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by stamphater

Mostly because they are known to be less than accurate. Did not know they could hold 30 though.

Never heard that, if their not very accurate why do most police use them?

[SeeBass]

nm

[Azure]

He didn't have to be accurate if he used full metal jackets.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by T@T

Never heard that, if their not very accurate why do most police use them?

Because they go through bullet-proof vests.

[burn_this_city]

Those banana clips should be illegal. No reason to need 30 rounds for self defense.

[Devils'Advocate]

I've read a couple US-based forums today (both hockey related). It would seem, oddly enough, that despite the calls for an end to the hate-filled rhetoric that this incident has generated, the the exact opposite is happening. This incident seems to actually be ramping up partisan hatred.

Of course, two web sites doesn't make a good sample size for the whole of the U.S. populace, but it is disheartening.

[SeeBass]

This Tea Party Rally sign says it all

http://politicalhumor.about.com/libr...htm?PS=15%3A55