Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Ozy_Flame]

Wouldn't be surprised to see Aheer run with the AP. She doesn't agree with NDP policies, but also obviously doesn't agree with UCP direction. That said, I think she would only run in a guaranteed riding, and her old one isn't it (shes been pushed out by her constituency board, seems like a coup of sorts).

I also don't think she'll run in Calgary-Elbow, since Kerry Cundal is already going to be running there (and I think has a great chance of winning).

It's hard to peg what she'll do next. She could even just walk away from politics, her family has business interests she could revisit. That said, I imagine she wants to stick it to Kenney, Smith and the UCP.

I don't like her as a politician (to right-wing for me), but I can see how she's an important figure in the conservative cracks that will show over the next six months.

[gasman]

Originally Posted by Looch City

#### yeah! And they all probably moved here knowing well that Danielle Smith would be the next premier and true freedom would only be in Alberta.

I sure hope her next move is to protect our second amendment rights, the Libs are ridiculous and reek of pure fascism.

Is the second amendment where parliament authorized transfer of Ruperts Land from Hudson Bay Company to the Dominion of Canada, or is it considered BC joining the union? I always get those two confused.

[Flames0910]

Originally Posted by T-Dog

I think the more sane members of the current UCP leaving to join the Alberta Party or form a new right of centre party would be a terrible idea at this time. That sounds like a sure way to split votes and hand Danielle Smith a full term.

Also why would anyone competent (saying a lot with the UCP, I know) group of people leave en masse to go to the Alberta party with all its baggage? They'd have way more freedom and probably just as much influence creating something new instead of polishing an old turd.

[Izzle]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I'm not overly surprised that Aheer is breaking ties with the UCP. I figured she would be one of the first to leave based on the direction that the UCP is headed. I'm glad it is starting and hopefully a party like the Alberta Party can capitalize on this

Alberta party is dead and gone. It's not coming back.

[Izzle]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

They should assemble into a new party, maybe something like the Former United Conservative Caucus.

The FUCC? I like it

[Geraldsh]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

They should assemble into a new party, maybe something like the Former United Conservative Caucus.

Why not use your name : Former United Zoomer Zealots?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Geraldsh

Why not use your name : Former United Zoomer Zealots?

Are you suggesting they were all high on shrooms? That might actually explain a few things...

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Flames0910

Also why would anyone competent (saying a lot with the UCP, I know) group of people leave en masse to go to the Alberta party with all its baggage? They'd have way more freedom and probably just as much influence creating something new instead of polishing an old turd.

I'm curious to know what baggage you think the Alberta Party has that is really holding them back.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I'm curious to know what baggage you think the Alberta Party has that is really holding them back.

The baggage that they've been in elections since like 2000 and have won 1 seat the entire time.

Would be smarter to just create a new party that hasn't spent 2 decades as a loser and has no brand value.

[Flames0910]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I'm curious to know what baggage you think the Alberta Party has that is really holding them back.

2019 Alberta General Election Results
UCP: 63 seats
NDP: 24 seats
Alberta Party: 0 seats

The Alberta Party brand is an also ran. They're not even in the leadership conversation. Last election cycle was probably their best chance to breakthrough, and after whatever insider shenanigans there were with their leadership, they couldn't even win a single seat. Their baggage is that they're not perceived as a credible alternative.

They're bottom dwellers like the Alberta Liberals or the Green Party of Canada and they're not even close to having what it will take to beat Danielle Smith.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

The baggage that they've been in elections since like 2000 and have won 1 seat the entire time.

Would be smarter to just create a new party that hasn't spent 2 decades as a loser and has no brand value.

I don't really see that as baggage and I don't think that a "rebranding" would be of much benefit. New leadership, focus and public presence would be a huge benefit though. The NDP managed to pull off a victory and turn things around after dozens of years of irrelevance so why can't the Alberta Party do the same under the right conditions?

[Flames0910]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I don't really see that as baggage and I don't think that a "rebranding" would be of much benefit. New leadership, focus and public presence would be a huge benefit though. The NDP managed to pull off a victory and turn things around after dozens of years of irrelevance so why can't the Alberta Party do the same under the right conditions?

If you were quitting your job at a successful but dysfunctional company (and maybe even rallying a couple coworkers to join you) why would you move across the street to the firm that's never turned a profit, doesn't have any noteworthy clients, and probably needs to overhaul the leadership team when you could just start fresh with a new company of your own?

[timun]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

The baggage that they've been in elections since like 2000 and have won 1 seat the entire time.

Would be smarter to just create a new party that hasn't spent 2 decades as a loser and has no brand value.

The Alberta Party such as it is today has really only existed since 2010.

The PCs were founded in 1905 and from 1921 to 1966 never held more than six seats in the legislature. Then they were the party of government for 44 straight years.


That said, I hope rats fleeing the sinking UCP ship do go off and do their own thing. Split the right back up so fools don't vote this trash back into government ever again.

[Nancy]

Originally Posted by Flames0910

If you were quitting your job at a successful but dysfunctional company (and maybe even rallying a couple coworkers to join you) why would you move across the street to the firm that's never turned a profit, doesn't have any noteworthy clients, and probably needs to overhaul the leadership team when you could just start fresh with a new company of your own?

Gordon Wilson says hello. The Liberal Party of BC held no seats prior to their breakout in the 1991 election where they went from 7% POP to 33% POP, and ended up being the governing party of BC for the first two decades of the 21st century.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Flames0910

If you were quitting your job at a successful but dysfunctional company (and maybe even rallying a couple coworkers to join you) why would you move across the street to the firm that's never turned a profit, doesn't have any noteworthy clients, and probably needs to overhaul the leadership team when you could just start fresh with a new company of your own?

Your not really necessarily providing a path to success with that strategy though. Unless the existing entity comes with a lot of liabilities, ie. baggage - as you claimed but haven't provided any proof of, what is the risk or downside? There is still some capital available to leverage even if it is a minor amount.

[RedHot25]

Oopsie by ucp.

And oopsie by me.

Hopefully I fixed the link.

https://edmontonjournal.com/news/pol...-jobs-ministry

Alberta’s UCP government is clarifying which new ministry will be in charge of labour laws in the province after a cabinet order failed to assign responsibility.

The order in council (OIC), approved Monday, set out which ministries oversee which legislation, but Alberta’s Opposition NDP and unions were quick to sound the alarm that no ministry appeared to be responsible for either the Occupational Health and Safety Act (OHSA) or the Labour Relations Code.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

Oopsie.

https://edmontonjournal.com/news/pol...a-jobs-minisry

Wooo! Fireworks in the warehouse day!

[blender]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

Oopsie by ucp.

And oopsie by me.

Hopefully I fixed the link.

https://edmontonjournal.com/news/pol...-jobs-ministry

If we pretend unions don't exist, they just go away.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I'm curious to know what baggage you think the Alberta Party has that is really holding them back.

I voted for them two elections in a row and won't be again.

When Greg Clark was in charge, it was a good option. Then it became the island of misfit conservatives so he stepped down and the party died. They didn't even have a leadership race after Mandel, because only one guy signed up.

They're dead in the water now, that ship sailed. People say they're interested in a more centrist option, but when we had one, nobody voted for it. Face it, NDP is the closest we have to a centrist option now

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I don't really see that as baggage and I don't think that a "rebranding" would be of much benefit. New leadership, focus and public presence would be a huge benefit though. The NDP managed to pull off a victory and turn things around after dozens of years of irrelevance so why can't the Alberta Party do the same under the right conditions?

What are you looking for from the AP that the NDP don't already provide? The ANDP is probably the most centrist party we have. I'm guessing a center-right party?

However, the AP is definitely not a center-right party so I just can't figure out why you are adamant that they could be a good option.