This false equivalency is nuclear grade stupid, and unfortunately permeates the narrative espoused by the supporters of Hamas. That you can't see the difference between the two is mind blowing.
No one is saying that what Hamas does is right or that they are good. But the degree to which Palestinian civilian loss of life is justified is what is mind blowing. And speaking of nuclear, an Israeli official just last week says he thinks Gaza should be nuked.
No one is saying that what Hamas does is right or that they are good. But the degree to which Palestinian civilian loss of life is justified is what is mind blowing. And speaking of nuclear, an Israeli official just last week says he thinks Gaza should be nuked.
Who is justifying the loss of Palestinian civilians? Israel does not want collateral damage. Unfortunately it is the reality of the situation Hamas has created.
Also, convenient of you to leave out the important fact that this official is EXTREMELY far right, of a group that the majority of Israelis do not agree with, and was immediately suspended after declaring that.
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Israel has never given any money to Hamas. They were holding money from donations and tax collections. When they don't provide that money immediately it's "Collective Punishment". When they do release the money they are responsible for funding Hamas.
What I meant is the hate of Israeli keeps the anti-Israeli money Jihadist/Islamist money flowing into Hamas coffers. Not that Netanyahu actually gives Hamas any money.
Who is justifying the loss of Palestinian civilians? Israel does not want collateral damage. Unfortunately it is the reality of the situation Hamas has created.
Also, convenient of you to leave out the important fact that this official is EXTREMELY far right, of a group that the majority of Israelis do not agree with, and was immediately suspended after declaring that.
One thing to keep in mind is that Canadian politics are extremely tepid compared to anywhere else in the world. All across Europe you have far right parties saying things that would be totally unheard of in North America. Canada has 5 parties with seats in Parliament (and 3 independents). Israel, a country 1/4th the size, has 20 parties, and they run a gambit of extremes on both right and left.
What I meant is the hate of Israeli keeps the anti-Israeli money Jihadist/Islamist money flowing into Hamas coffers. Not that Netanyahu actually gives Hamas any money.
I would say that Iran is funding anti-Israel groups regardless of what actually goes on in Israel. It's their default position. In fact, I'd argue it's a major part of their ethos. Without Israel to hate, they'd have to look in the mirror.
It's a major part of the problem. No matter how much Israel changes or offeres, there's always a driving force against them.
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Who is justifying the loss of Palestinian civilians? Israel does not want collateral damage. Unfortunately it is the reality of the situation Hamas has created.
Also, convenient of you to leave out the important fact that this official is EXTREMELY far right, of a group that the majority of Israelis do not agree with, and was immediately suspended after declaring that.
People here have said that they agree that food/water/aid should be blocked. I also strongly disagree with the notion that Israel does not want collateral damage. And lol wow a suspension for saying a population should be nuked.
People here have said that they agree that food/water/aid should be blocked. I also strongly disagree with the notion that Israel does not want collateral damage. And lol wow a suspension for saying a population should be nuked.
what do you think Israel should do? what would you do if you were Israeli?
Long-term: get over the fact that other people are living on land that you think was promised to you by God.
Jews are indigenous to the land. Zionism was founded by secular Jews. You portraying the Jews as just believing it is their land because of religious scriptures is not true. Ethnic Jews descend from people who lived on the land several thousands of years before the creation of Islam. It’s ok to acknowledge both groups of people have a right to the land. Because people like you like to make conclusions about where Jews are from there are countless DNA studies done on Jews that verify what Jews have always claimed. Jews are from Israel.
The Jews accepted the 1947 partition plan which gave the Palestinians 70% of the land. Palestinians never even had a state to begin with so you would think 70% would have been fine, bare in mind Jordan got 73% of mandate Palestine. In reality the Jews got a sliver but that was still not accepted, like every deal presented to the Palestinians they rejected. Israel still then offered citizenship to all the Palestinians who stayed within Israel, hence why there are 2 million Palestinians with Israeli passports. So not exactly kicked off the land like you say. What do you think would have happened to the Jews if they lost any war? It would be October 7th for 365 days until every Jew was killed or expelled. Many of the founding citizens of Israel were Holocaust survivors or Jews fleeing pogroms in Arab countries fighting for their survival. Your statement is just devoid of any historical context, like most in this thread.
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Jews are indigenous to the land. Zionism was founded by secular Jews. You portraying the Jews as just believing it is their land because of religious scriptures is not true. Ethnic Jews descend from people who lived on the land several thousands of years before the creation of Islam. It’s ok to acknowledge both groups of people have a right to the land. Because people like you like to make conclusions about where Jews are from there are countless DNA studies done on Jews that verify what Jews have always claimed. Jews are from Israel.
The Jews accepted the 1947 partition plan which gave the Palestinians 70% of the land. Palestinians never even had a state to begin with so you would think 70% would have been fine, bare in mind Jordan got 73% of mandate Palestine. In reality the Jews got a sliver but that was still not accepted, like every deal presented to the Palestinians they rejected. Israel still then offered citizenship to all the Palestinians who stayed within Israel, hence why there are 2 million Palestinians with Israeli passports. So not exactly kicked off the land like you say. What do you think would have happened to the Jews if they lost any war? It would be October 7th for 365 days until every Jew was killed or expelled. Many of the founding citizens of Israel were Holocaust survivors or Jews fleeing pogroms in Arab countries fighting for their survival. Your statement is just devoid of any historical context, like most in this thread.
You can just say you don’t think Jews are entitled to a state and you would love to see what would happen to the Jews with a muslim majority country one state solution.
I was talking about the West Bank and Gaza, of.course the Jewish people should have their own country.
Long-term: get over the fact that other people are living on land that you think was promised to you by God.
Oh so 4 weeks after hundreds of your women and kids were brutalised and then murdered you think if you were an Israeli you would think it was your fault??
You, me and everyone else here would do exactly what Israel are doing, you would destroy Hamas with everything in your power and you wouldn't give a toss who you killed to get to them, that's the normal response to mass rape and execution of women and children, I'm not Jewish and I would kill Hamas.
Oh and Israel dont have to get over anything, they own the whole region, there isnt a single thing anyone can do to stop them, they can take what they like when they like, if you have any sympathy for Palestine what so ever you should convince them of that, their only hope is to surrender and either move or live like our indigenous population who's utter defeat you, just as much as me, take advantage of
I was talking about the West Bank and Gaza, of.course the Jewish people should have their own country.
Well I am glad you can admit that. Yes, they should have their own country and the Palestinians should as well. Unfortunately this conflict did not occur in a vacuum. When someone tries to make a blanket statement, like “the Jews just kicked them off their land” there is a lack of context given. This is seen all over the world right now. It’s a bit annoying having your history being told by people who do not understand it. I am sure you can at least see where I am coming from there. The word colonizer gets thrown a lot describing Israelis, it is completely inaccurate. The Jews who founded Israel were merely surviving in a world that continues to attempt to exterminate them in an area that historically has been the only place Jews can call home.
Of course it is incredibly unfortunate how history has played out and the lack of willingness at times by both Israel and the Palestinian leadership to come to a peace agreement.
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Well I am glad you can admit that. Yes, they should have their own country and the Palestinians should as well. Unfortunately this conflict did not occur in a vacuum. When someone tries to make a blanket statement, like “the Jews just kicked them off their land” there is a lack of context given. This is seen all over the world right now. It’s a bit annoying having your history being told by people who do not understand it. I am sure you can at least see where I am coming from there. The word colonizer gets thrown a lot describing Israelis, it is completely inaccurate. The Jews who founded Israel were merely surviving in a world that continues to attempt to exterminate them.
For sure. The Jewish people's history is there, origin is there, religious sites are there. That's why I disagree with anyone who says they don't deserve their own country because they were "imported" into the region. And then you add what happened to them during the Holocaust and it makes their case for a Jewish homeland even stronger.
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For sure. The Jewish people's history is there, origin is there, religious sites are there. That's why I disagree with anyone who says they don't deserve their own country because they were "imported" into the region. And then you add what happened to them during the Holocaust and it makes their case for a Jewish homeland even stronger.
I appreciate you acknowledging that. I hope we get to a two state solution before I die. It’s an incredibly sad situation with no winners.
No one likes seeing civilians die, it is a terrible. The majority of Israelis are not jumping up and down having to send their children to war. Just like how it is awful seeing Palestinian innocents die, Israel is also now having to mourn the loss of young soldiers who also did not ask for this. I personally know someone who was called up who had to postpone his wedding to go potentially die in Gaza, he is a very good man who is working on his phd in environmental sciences. He is not a demon that the media is portraying the IDF as. War is truly horrific, there are no winners here.
I pray that Hamas surrenders and we can end this madness before more die. Rebuild Gaza and begin a new future. But there is little optimism for that currently.
Oh so 4 weeks after hundreds of your women and kids were brutalised and then murdered you think if you were an Israeli you would think it was your fault??
You, me and everyone else here would do exactly what Israel are doing, you would destroy Hamas with everything in your power and you wouldn't give a toss who you killed to get to them, that's the normal response to mass rape and execution of women and children, I'm not Jewish and I would kill Hamas.
Oh and Israel dont have to get over anything, they own the whole region, there isnt a single thing anyone can do to stop them, they can take what they like when they like, if you have any sympathy for Palestine what so ever you should convince them of that, their only hope is to surrender and either move or live like our indigenous population who's utter defeat you, just as much as me, take advantage of
Hamas terrorists are reportedly planting IEDs in civilian infrastructure and roads across the West Bank. Hamas also tried to assassinate Palestinian Authority leader Mahmoud Abbas, who survived but several bodyguards were injured and one is dead. Video of the assassination attempt has been released by Turkish sources.
so when are you handing over everything you own to the local native band and heading back to where your ancestors came from? the law of the jungle is why Canada exists, we killed 2 to 3 million indigenous peoples over 2 to 300 years to get this country, I don't like the law of the jungle but my whole life takes advantage of it to the detriment of the Coast Salish people
