2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Nelson]

I’d be a fan of a Domi signing. Pure and simple, he has averaged closer to 50 points per 82 games than 40 points per 82 games over the past 4 seasons. And he turned 28 about 3 months ago. Plus, I just can’t see how the Flames would overpay for him given the current situation with the general FA market and the Flames’ cap situation.

(I chose 4 seasons because that leaves out the 72 point season, and I thought that skewed the stats too far in favour of getting him.)

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Well I think a couple things
- I don't think the Flames are a compelling destination for free agents unless they are paying more
- Lack of cap space.

And free agency isn't NHL24

Players have the choice of what ream they want to go to. Singing 1 year deals here might not be the most desirable option.

Also singing 1 year deals keeps us doing the same thing blocking the young players from grabbing spots. You're not singing someone to a 1 year deal and flipping them after camp.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Backlund out, Domi in
Hanifin out, Dumba in

I can get with both of those.

But what’s the end goal / point of these moves

Toffoli , Backlund and Lindholm out and these replacements in just makes us look like a slightly worse bubble team with an even lower ceiling

This team is already close to the worse top end talent, and trading 3 for “meh” guys isn’t going to help that

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

But what’s the end goal / point of these moves

Toffoli , Backlund and Lindholm out and these replacements in just makes us look like a slightly worse bubble team with an even lower ceiling

This team is already close to the worse top end talent, and trading 3 for “meh” guys isn’t going to help that

Team still wants to compete, and they have some gaps to fill to do that.
Plus I view them as assets to then flip potentially.
I wouldn't sign either to long-term deals. Domi 1 year only. Dumba no longer than 3.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You could be the 3rd team in a trade to eat cap and get assets.

Hot take. There are so many teams where that strategy has worked.

Seems like people get upset when we go shopping in free agency and when were do the right thing and sit still they stills get mad.

I mean we could have created space and wasted large dollars on JT Compher.

Except JT Compher would have been a long-term solution to the loss of Backlund and provided some depth to a position where we are woefully lacking.

The problem with the signings "The Wizard" - aka the man behind the curtain - made were they were a lot of money for guys that just never performed. He paid big dollars for guys that had one year of big production and didn't have a body of work to support the payment. Worse, the player was a crappy fit with the team and needs. There were some really good value contracts out there for players that would have meet the need and not come with term. Term was always where Treliving #### the bed.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I agree that term is where deals bite you in the bum. If you make a mistake, but it's a 1-2 year deal, it's OK.
But those 5+ year mistakes kill ya.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Hot take. There are so many teams where that strategy has worked.



Except JT Compher would have been a long-term solution to the loss of Backlund and provided some depth to a position where we are woefully lacking.

The problem with the signings "The Wizard" - aka the man behind the curtain - made were they were a lot of money for guys that just never performed. He paid big dollars for guys that had one year of big production and didn't have a body of work to support the payment. Worse, the player was a crappy fit with the team and needs. There were some really good value contracts out there for players that would have meet the need and not come with term. Term was always where Treliving #### the bed.

Haven't you just described Compher as the type of guy Treliving went after, after one good season, and paid too many dollars and two much term.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Team still wants to compete, and they have some gaps to fill to do that.
Plus I view them as assets to then flip potentially.
I wouldn't sign either to long-term deals. Domi 1 year only. Dumba no longer than 3.

Sure if we could get Domi for 1. But I assume there’s zero chance of that

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Hot take. There are so many teams where that strategy has worked.



Except JT Compher would have been a long-term solution to the loss of Backlund and provided some depth to a position where we are woefully lacking.

The problem with the signings "The Wizard" - aka the man behind the curtain - made were they were a lot of money for guys that just never performed. He paid big dollars for guys that had one year of big production and didn't have a body of work to support the payment. Worse, the player was a crappy fit with the team and needs. There were some really good value contracts out there for players that would have meet the need and not come with term. Term was always where Treliving #### the bed.

Right but Conroy said we are opening up roster spots and not singing those same guys Treliving brought in for multiple year deals even for a year.

Those are entry level deals still good value.

They want to win and building the team from your own organization is how you do it.

Now if they trade Hanifin and Backlund yes we can look at 1 year deals to fill those holes but I think the goal is to get younger roster players back for those holes.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I don't think he's paid too much. I think he's perfectly in line with what Backlund is being paid. Compher is a guy that can play up and down the lineup and contribute in every role. He would have been a solid addition and allowed us to dump Backlund for nothing but futures. Would have been Compher + return on Backlund for less money and provided stability at a lacking position in the Flames lineup.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Right but Conroy said we are opening up roster spots and not singing those same guys Treliving brought in for multiple year deals even for a year.

Those are entry level deals still good value.

They want to win and building the team from your own organization is how you do it.

Now if they trade Hanifin and Backlund yes we can look at 1 year deals to fill those holes but I think the goal is to get younger roster players back for those holes.

You want to shelter young players when they come in. You want to surround them with veterans who can help them along. You don't just throw them into the deep end and hope they can swim. Sign those guys and use the overage space to your advantage and then make your deals. Because everyone you would have hoped to target are now off the market or expecting term.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

You want to shelter young players when they come in. You want to surround them with veterans who can help them along. You don't just throw them into the deep end and hope they can swim. Sign those guys and use the overage space to your advantage and then make your deals. Because everyone you would have hoped to target are now off the market or expecting term.

But we have the veterans on the team.

Coleman, Huberdeau, Weegar, Lindholm, Tanev.

It's their team now and time to take charge and avoid bringing in the PTO and bad free agent.

Even Dube has stepped up with his leadership.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

But we have the veterans on the team.

Coleman, Huberdeau, Weegar, Lindholm, Tanev.

You just listed two players that will likely be traded.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

You just listed two players that will likely be traded.

OK, add Andersson and Mangiapane. By now they’re vets. And you also have Kadri, FWIW.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

OK, add Andersson and Mangiapane. By now they’re vets. And you also have Kadri, FWIW.

Yup forgot about Andersson.

But the team is filled with these guys and yes even Kadri.

You can't insulate young players when you sign someone else to take their spot.

[Lanny_McDonald]

And you can't just give them spots either.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

And you can't just give them spots either.

If the young guys don’t make it, pick up some other vet during training camp or off of the waiver wire. There are always options available to fill spots.

[blankall]

The question is for many spots does Calgary have open?

We have guys like Ruzicka and Duehr who are likely NHL ready. They should be getting almost full time NHL time. Then other guys like Coronato, Pelletier, Zary, and whoever else steps up, who need to be rotated in.

The Flames need at least 3 forward roster spots open to properly develop their prospects.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

And you can't just give them spots either.

Calgary doesn't give anyone anything. You had guys like Ruzicka putting to solid numbers with limited opportunities. The Flames still demoted him to play vets.

You're talking about it like the Flames have a history of gifting spots to rookies. Nothing could be further from the truth, and the Flames are in a position where they now need to work to salvage their underdeveloped prospect pool.

[CalgaryFan1988]

I wouldn't be surprised if Zohorna or even Phillips are available on waivers in the first week or two of the season,.