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Old 07-22-2024, 04:18 PM   #3261
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Wouldn't that just be going back to what they had in 11th gen(?) and earlier?
Yes, It's because there has been issues with thread scheduling on some programs . In some cases applications would be sent to e cores when they would work better on p cores. Some programs won't work at all because the cpu gets confused and dosent know where to send it. only the I7 and I5 next gen will get e cores
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Gamer's Nexus said there's a rumour that Intel is going to come out with CPUs that have only the performance cores and no efficiency cores for the desktop. Though that was interesting.

But yeah I would stay away from Intel entirely until they confirm what is going on with the 13th and 14th gen and what they are going to do about it.
They just came out with a solution apparently.

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-comp...-by-mid-august
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Oh, should be interesting to see if it can fix the problem.
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Yes, It's because there has been issues with thread scheduling on some programs .
To the point that some motherboards you can disable efficiency cores with a hot key lol.

Interesting, a bug in code resulting in degradation due to too high a voltage at least seems plausible. The big question is will they basically replace chips even if they don't exhibit the issue, cause if I had a 13th or 14th gen I'd want to RMA it even if it wasn't crashing just to make sure it didn't start at some later date after Intel had moved on.
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To the point that some motherboards you can disable efficiency cores with a hot key lol.

Interesting, a bug in code resulting in degradation due to too high a voltage at least seems plausible. The big question is will they basically replace chips even if they don't exhibit the issue, cause if I had a 13th or 14th gen I'd want to RMA it even if it wasn't crashing just to make sure it didn't start at some later date after Intel had moved on.
Is this affecting i5s? They mentioned the 13900k and 14900k at first but I have a 13500.
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I haven't seen an exact list of what is and isn't affected other than they said the mobile CPUs aren't having the voltage issue.

So it's possible it's affected just not to the same degree given the lower specs? Not sure.
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Is this affecting i5s? They mentioned the 13900k and 14900k at first but I have a 13500.
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I saw a list at 9:35 but don't know if it's complete.
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####, my build has an i7 - 13,700 3.4GHz
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I think I avoided a lot of these issues with my i9-14900K by manually setting a lot of power settings in the bios to Intel limits after my first couple of Cinebench runs had the CPU throttled due to heat from too much power!

Once I implemented the proper settings and a very slight under volt I was getting the expected temps and performance from the CPU.
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I think I avoided a lot of these issues with my i9-14900K by manually setting a lot of power settings in the bios to Intel limits after my first couple of Cinebench runs had the CPU throttled due to heat from too much power!

Once I implemented the proper settings and a very slight under volt I was getting the expected temps and performance from the CPU.

I did the same.
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AMD pulled their new CPU's? Seesh.
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AMD pulled their new CPU's? Seesh.
Did you mean they have delayed the release of the yet to be released new Ryzen 9000 CPUs?

Edit: Ahhh I see the pullback of already shipped CPUs before the release date.
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Must have been pretty significant to do that in light of their edge over Intel now, but I guess avoiding the kind of situation Intel is in right now is pretty important.
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So that hardware power issue with all Intel 13/14 e-core 60w+ processors. It's basically a ticking time bomb and the microcode patch is just a bandaid to slow the issue from happening but doesn't actually stop it. I don't see how this doesn't result in a huge class action

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Old 07-29-2024, 05:19 PM   #3275
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AMD pulled their new CPU's? Seesh.
But not due to any hardware issues. They misprinted ryzen 9 on ryzen 7 and ryzen 5 chips. Everything was printed as a ryzen 9 on the IHS of every chip. The models were printed correctly tho just mislabeled the series.
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But not due to any hardware issues. They misprinted ryzen 9 on ryzen 7 and ryzen 5 chips. Everything was printed as a ryzen 9 on the IHS of every chip. The models were printed correctly tho just mislabeled the series.
Huh, that's . . . kinda hilarious. How much did that typo cost?
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Spent a bit of time going through some old reviews, I had almost forgotten how little the CPU matters when you're running 4K. Maybe I can wait longer for that new build . . .
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Intel confirms that all damage that has been incurred on their processors because of the e-core ring bus power issue is permanent and they won't be recalling any of their 13/14th gen CPUs.

What a gong show.
https://www.xda-developers.com/intel...age-permanent/

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I wonder how hard it is for someone to RMA their CPU.. are they basically just going to accept all of them?
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Intel confirms that all damage that has been incurred on their processors because of the e-core ring bus power issue is permanent and they won't be recalling any of their 13/14th gen CPUs.

What a gong show.
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I wonder how hard it is for someone to RMA their CPU.. are they basically just going to accept all of them?
Seesh! EDIT: I am reacting to the Intel stance here, not photon's post.

Intel has not halted sales or clawed back any inventory. It will not do a recall, period. The company is not currently commenting on whether or how it might extend its warranty. It would not share estimates with The Verge of how many chips are likely to be irreversibly impacted, and it did not explain why it’s continuing to sell these chips ahead of any fix.

Intel’s not yet telling us how warranty replacements will work beyond trying customer support again if you’ve previously been rejected. It did not explain how it will contact customers with these chips to warn them about the issue.

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