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Old 07-01-2023, 11:37 PM   #3221
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That actually doesn't sound bad to me.
It sounds bad to me. Gross.
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Old 07-01-2023, 11:40 PM   #3223
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Eat d***s Forbort.

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Old 07-01-2023, 11:42 PM   #3224
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Just my opinion, but there's a reason why Isak Rosen was taken before Lysell after all the hype surrounding Lysell before the 2021 Draft. Lysell is quite vanilla, not that Rosen is any better....

I hate to keep harping on the whole "size is important" thing, but we've already got a fairly small group of forwards, and Lysell wouldn't help us in that area, nor would he provide any grit. Carlo would though. I just don't see the Bruins being good trade partners, unless they were willing to part with Zacha to start.
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The Boston proposal sounds terrible, but I am not a fan of any of the players mentioned.

Lysall seems ok but below most of the prospects we have wanted. The Boston pick if we got one would be late. Forbort has zero interest to me, potentially negative impact so including him does nothing. Carlo, meh doesn't move the needle for the team and is just a warm body. Better than Forbort but not something we need to add.

That is an easy pass for me.
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Old 07-02-2023, 12:22 AM   #3226
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Boston wouldn't be an ideal partner but they do have some pieces.

Debrusk, zacha, frederick and Carlo are all decent younger roster players.

Lysell and Poitras are good but not amazing prospects.

Although not the sexiest packages I'm sure there's a combination that could work.
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Old 07-02-2023, 12:31 AM   #3227
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Boston wouldn't be an ideal partner but they do have some pieces.

Debrusk, zacha, frederick and Carlo are all decent younger roster players.

Lysell and Poitras are good but not amazing prospects.

Although not the sexiest packages I'm sure there's a combination that could work.
I love Trent Frederic- he's big and tough as hell, plus he put up 31 points playing bottom-6 minutes for the Bruins. He skates well, too. I think he would become a fan favorite in time, after fans overcame their initial anger.
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Old 07-02-2023, 12:48 AM   #3228
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Lysell is a top six RH RW, who should be pushing for a roster spot this year or next. The only issue in Calgary is having a spot for him, as fourth line would see him flounder. He's a step below Coronato, but maybe Zary level or better. No slouch.

And Carlo is at a good cap hit, slots in right behind Andersson, is a physical defensive defenseman to allow the offensive types like Kylington or eventually Porier to thrive. He also allows the Flames to move Tanev for another return. Rosen was mentioned above by Sandman. How about Lysell and Rosen on the same team (Tanev for Rosen) and let them fight it out on the same roster to see who is best.

Don't mind that trade. Conny might even be able to get an extra 2nd out of the Bruins.
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Old 07-02-2023, 12:57 AM   #3229
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Lysell is a top six RH RW, who should be pushing for a roster spot this year or next. The only issue in Calgary is having a spot for him, as fourth line would see him flounder. He's a step below Coronato, but maybe Zary level or better. No slouch.

And Carlo is at a good cap hit, slots in right behind Andersson, is a physical defensive defenseman to allow the offensive types like Kylington or eventually Porier to thrive. He also allows the Flames to move Tanev for another return. Rosen was mentioned above by Sandman. How about Lysell and Rosen on the same team (Tanev for Rosen) and let them fight it out on the same roster to see who is best.

Don't mind that trade. Conny might even be able to get an extra 2nd out of the Bruins.
I don't know man. That would be Lysell, Rosen, Coronato, Dube, Mangiapane, and Pelletier in the top-9. Even Coleman and Kadri aren't huge, even though they are mean. I think we would get run over.
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Carlo has a ntc so not sure how eager he would be to waive to come to Calgary.

Grzelcyk doesn’t have one so he might be the one coming back. Smallish d but probably capable of playing top 4 minutes. Ufa tho so less than ideal. Or we sub him out for Debrusk who we may have a better chance of extending.

Might be able to expand the deal to include backlund as Boston will need to replace Bergeron and/or Krejci. I do like ferederic as well and he might look forward to playing a bigger role with us. If we want a bigger prospect than lysell, Johnny Beecher might be of interest.

Not the best trading partner as others have mentioned but don’t know what else is out there with all the activity yesterday.
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Old 07-02-2023, 07:43 AM   #3231
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I think the only way Hanifin to Boston makes sense is if we acquire Forbort, Carlo, a 2nd/1st (conditional), and Lysell. Would need a third party team that would offer a good pick for Carlo, preferably a 1st.
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Old 07-02-2023, 08:04 AM   #3232
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I would be a bit surprised if the Hanifin deal didn’t include some draft capital. Even if it were Boston’s 2025 first or second. Add that to the package, it becomes a little more enticing. Maybe the Flames have to add a mid round pick.

Hanifin (50% retained) 2024 3rd round pick for Lyell - Forbort/Carlo/Gryzlyk - 2025 1st
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Old 07-02-2023, 08:08 AM   #3233
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I wouldn't be opposed to sending him to Boston if both Lysell and Poitras came back. Other pieces would be involved obviously, but those two have to be in there IMO, given their lack of picks.
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A Hanafin trade is going to happen. It will include an NHL forward with some upside. In addition to the pressures McGuire mentioned, I think Lindholm decision is dependent on how competitive he thinks the Flames will be, and what they have to put on his wing. Backlund will likely extend if Lindholm does.

Conroy will decide on Zadorov and Tanev once things settle out, but I expect he is willing to go into the season with those guys on a one year. I don't see those guys getting moved unless a D is acquired elsewhere. I could see Zadorov extended thoigh.

Vladar will get traded as long as they can get something.
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I don't know man. That would be Lysell, Rosen, Coronato, Dube, Mangiapane, and Pelletier in the top-9. Even Coleman and Kadri aren't huge, even though they are mean. I think we would get run over.
This is why I think the Sharangovich pickup was a little under-rated.

Also why the Honzek and Suniev picks were good ones.
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I wonder if the leafs would take the certainty of Kadri @7mm over the uncertainty of Nylander. Flames basically punt on Kadri and let Nylander walk if his number is over 8.5mm
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I wonder if the leafs would take the certainty of Kadri @7mm over the uncertainty of Nylander. Flames basically punt on Kadri and let Nylander walk if his number is over 8.5mm
Think they could do far better than kadri if they trade nylander
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Think they could do far better than kadri if they trade nylander
I think so too, but I thought that with Hanifin and Lindholm, and it doesn’t seem like there is much of a market. Cap is a real problem with these guys. At least Nylander/Kadri match this year.
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Flames need skill but they also need size. Could the Ducks be a target for a Hanifin deal? Maybe target Nathan Gaucher and Noah Warren. I think this could be a win for both teams.
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I am surprised Domi didn't get signed on Day 1. I figured he would be back with Chicago.
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