[Signing] Gaudreau to Columbus (7 x $9.75 million)

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Maybe you're right, I think the origin did start here and it was from someone posting "inside" information.

But later didn't Friedman say something similar? I too will try to find it.

I posted Friedman's exact quotes from his pod the other day; I'm pretty sure it was essentially:
'There was a time when the Flames were confident it was going to get done'

If anyone posts any other sources I'll try to compile it all into one post. For now it seems like it's actually no more than the CP post...

I think there have been a lot of ambiguous reports that COULD be interpreted to support a counter-offer/ultimatum/reneg scenario, but they could also support other scenarios.

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Listen to the Flames talk podcasts from last week and Steinberg touched on a lot of stuff from the negotiating to thinking Johnny was super close to signing, to the Flames doubling back on Wednesday.

For me, the reports that the Flames were still at the table on the 13th undercut the idea that Johnny's camp did anything particularly bad (though I could also write a fun conspiracy theory that the Flames sensed he wasn't getting great offers and wanted to come in as a white knight...and then reneg on him!)

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Gaudreau had a better playoffs but he still really choked against the Oilers in the last few games...he didn't look dangerous at all

Flames issue is going to be making the playoffs without his points IMO...I think they can make a better playoff team better utilizing that 10.5M

The Flames will make the playoffs. There's not nearly enough respect given to the rest of the team. Johnny was a big part of the offense but Lindholm and Tkachuk aren't going to suddenly turn into pumpkins.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Johnny said it all his interviews thus far he wanted to be closer to home, yet turned down this NJ offer because? Again, one would assume he's lied about that now too.

Don't forget Jarmo said Johnny came to them and surprised them with wanting Columbus which is the curve ball in all of this.

I think I heard reports that NJD was giving weaker NMC/NTC; nobody has pinned down the $$, but it seems likely it wasn't any better than CBJ.

CBJ made an initial pitch to 13 but didn't expect anything to come of it. They were surprised 13 called back. It wasn't a cold call, though, as many have suggested.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by activeStick

The Flames will make the playoffs. There's not nearly enough respect given to the rest of the team. Johnny was a big part of the offense but Lindholm and Tkachuk aren't going to suddenly turn into pumpkins.

Yup, the West looks pretty weak for the next few years:

COL
STL

MIN*
DAL
NAS
CGY
EDM
LAK
VGK

Probably 7 teams fighting for 6 spots, with a much easier path for PAC teams. Not impossible for some of the next five to get into the mix, but it seems unlikely:

VAN
WPG
SJS
ANA
SEA

CHI
ARI


*(I've been expecting them to crash for years given their cap trouble, but they always find a way and probably deserve more respect)

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

So what you're saying is, this is Trudeau's fault?

I would also appreciate if Johnny blamed Trudeau for his decision and the outcome. It would make him a true Albertan lol

I know you're just joking, but the travel restrictions were on both sides of the border. In fact, didn't the U.S. have worse restrictions at one point?

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I know you're just joking, but the travel restrictions were on both sides of the border. In fact, didn't the U.S. have worse restrictions at one point?

It depends on where you live in the US. It’s mostly state based

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Yup, the West looks pretty weak for the next few years:

COL
STL

MIN*
DAL
NAS
CGY
EDM
LAK
VGK

Probably 7 teams fighting for 6 spots, with a much easier path for PAC teams. Not impossible for some of the next five to get into the mix, but it seems unlikely:

VAN
WPG
SJS
ANA
SEA

CHI
ARI


*(I've been expecting them to crash for years given their cap trouble, but they always find a way and probably deserve more respect)

I would move Vancouver and Winnipeg into the 7 teams that are fighting for a playoff spot.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I know you're just joking, but the travel restrictions were on both sides of the border. In fact, didn't the U.S. have worse restrictions at one point?

I don't think you quite understand how blaming Trudeau works. Currently, I'm blaming him for my pandemic weight gain and newly diagnosed genetic diseases.

[DiracSpike]

I'm sure all the people mad at Treliving for losing JG for nothing would have been happy if we traded him in the offseason. No one would be mad seeing him put up 110 points on a division winner while we had a mediocre season instead of the second best all time right? At least we'd have the 25th-ish overall pick along with Hanowski and Agostino 2.0. No one would want him fired for that too right? Gimme a break.

Either you have an axe to grind constantly against Treliving in which case, fill your boots no matter what I guess, or you have way way overestimated how GMing a team works.

[OptimalTates]

Why is it trading him in the off-season of the previous season or going into UFA period blind the only options?

A good GM should have known whether his franchise player was staying before the draft at the very least. To assume that the Flames plan for the draft was the same whether Gaudreau stayed or left would be a bigger cause for concern than Treliving getting blindsided like this.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I know you're just joking, but the travel restrictions were on both sides of the border. In fact, didn't the U.S. have worse restrictions at one point?

Not blaming governments myself (frankly the restrictions were pretty short lived and a minor inconvenience as far as I'm concerned). But whichever government put in regs, just being on one side of the border or the other made travel a lot easier.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Not blaming governments myself (frankly the restrictions were pretty short lived and a minor inconvenience as far as I'm concerned). But whichever government put in regs, just being on one side of the border or the other made travel a lot easier.

They were bad enough that the NHL made a Canadian division!

And it's not solely about what happened before, it's what can happen in the future. JG signs 8 years here and what if we go through an even worse pandemic!

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

It depends on where you live in the US. It’s mostly state based

The requirements for international visitors into the US are national requirements and not state-based. This misconception sounds a lot like what dumb-dumb Joe Rogan said recently when he called Trudeau a communist for imposing a requirement for all international visitors to Canada to be vaccinated not even knowing himself that the same requirement exists for freedumb Murica too.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Why is it trading him in the off-season of the previous season or going into UFA period blind the only options?

A good GM should have known whether his franchise player was staying before the draft at the very least. To assume that the Flames plan for the draft was the same whether Gaudreau stayed or left would be a bigger cause for concern than Treliving getting blindsided like this.

I just don't get opinions like this.

I mean is your real life this simple? You can know what people are thinking?

The agent has a history of last minute, so you would have to just accept the fact that nothing will happen until the last possible minute or just panic and move his rights at the draft.

Don't see any other option to be honest.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I just don't get opinions like this.

I mean is your real life this simple? You can know what people are thinking?

The agent has a history of last minute, so you would have to just accept the fact that nothing will happen until the last possible minute or just panic and move his rights at the draft.

Don't see any other option to be honest.

Not to mention I fail to see what practical difference this could have possibly made. BT overrides instructions from ownership to sign star up til last minute to read Gaudreau's mind somehow and realize that there's 0% chance he's signing here. Then, what, we get a fourth rounder for him at this years draft? Maybe? yay? A fourth rounder is the difference between BT being a great GM and a bum?

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I just don't get opinions like this.

I mean is your real life this simple? You can know what people are thinking?

The agent has a history of last minute, so you would have to just accept the fact that nothing will happen until the last possible minute or just panic and move his rights at the draft.

Don't see any other option to be honest.

"Panic" yeah, exactly what we should expect from a Flames GM.

The player who talked about how great it would be to play at home was becoming a UFA and there wasn't any ink on the paper. But let's just assume he'll sign last minute and not do anything about it.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Was just chatting with a pal of mine who retired from the NHL in 2009.

He blames much of this on Covid, the current gong show that is travel to the US and back, and the risk that the Canadian government will re-impose travel restrictions in the event of a Covid resurgence.

He would have preferred that JG say this publicly and that it’s a huge issue for families in his situation.

Was that friend Mike Commodore? Because he's having himself a day on Twitter...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1549055996760244224

https://twitter.com/user/status/1549056124405563394

https://twitter.com/user/status/1549056214427787264

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

Not to mention I fail to see what practical difference this could have possibly made. BT overrides instructions from ownership to sign star up til last minute to read Gaudreau's mind somehow and realize that there's 0% chance he's signing here. Then, what, we get a fourth rounder for him at this years draft? Maybe? yay? A fourth rounder is the difference between BT being a great GM and a bum?

Gaudreau staying and Gaudreau leaving are franchise altering situations. If your draft plan doesn't change around that, who you keep, which direction your going, who's on the table, who isn't, then that's a worrisome sign.

Imagine if the Oilers had a situation where they didn't know if McDavid was with them next year or not but they still had the same plan regardless, we would be laughing at them non-stop if McDavid left and they were still all-in to win. Flames do it though and well that's just because we don't have a psychic for a GM apparently.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

Not to mention I fail to see what practical difference this could have possibly made. BT overrides instructions from ownership to sign star up til last minute to read Gaudreau's mind somehow and realize that there's 0% chance he's signing here. Then, what, we get a fourth rounder for him at this years draft? Maybe? yay? A fourth rounder is the difference between BT being a great GM and a bum?

I think people are arguing for a trade in July 2021, before his NTC kicked in. But he's still a rental at that point, albeit a one year rental, and he's not the 115 point guy he is now: He's a .83 PPG guy over the previous two years, who hasn't gotten anything done post season, plays arguably the easiest position to fill, and has big question marks around his size, whether teams have figured him out and whether he's becoming easier to check. Trade value: maybe like a Taylor Hall (though that was a TDL deal, not off season).

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by activeStick

The requirements for international visitors into the US are national requirements and not state-based. This misconception sounds a lot like what dumb-dumb Joe Rogan said recently when he called Trudeau a communist for imposing a requirement for all international visitors to Canada to be vaccinated not even knowing himself that the same requirement exists for freedumb Murica too.

Well there are other restrictions than crossing borders
And if you want to discuss politics, go #### yourselves