[Signing] Gaudreau to Columbus (7 x $9.75 million)

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I’ve always found it odd to group everyone together like this. It’s so annoying when people do it. “Well the same fans didn’t like him last year!” Uhhh I bet there were thousands of adoring Gaudreau fans who would back him up in any debate from draft day to last week. And some even still. Fan bases aren’t one mind.

I agree. I don't know anyone who criticized Johnny for his size, he put that argument to bed rather quickly-probably half way through his first pro season. I also don't think anybody criticized his contract-we all thought we got a good deal there.

We might have had something to say about his playoff performance though, and that's absolutely fair because he was pretty lacklustre. That's pro sports though-if you don't like it, try harder.

[JohnnyB]

Uncle Jim seems like he's a pretty cool uncle. There was some nasty stuff being directed at Johnny and his family that day on Twitter, and Jim was positive with most of the people he was interacting with. That response wasn't ideal, but I wouldn't read too much into it. He clearly knows that not all Flames fans felt that way about Johnny, but he was just defending his nephew on Twitter

[dino7c]

Its mostly Oiler fans talking #### about his size ect.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

it was not about giving back. It is about what did the flames do to make johnny happy. What was lacking in his life as a flame that a few testimonials from columbus players were enough to make him leave.

What did the columbus organization do to make him feel special and comfortable?

Maybe it was the flames coaching, negotiating, overall handling of players or a sour dressing room. But there was something that the flames did not do that johnny feels he will get in columbus.


I would like to hear from conroy on why he thought gaudreau left so easily.

geography, pressure to win

and lets not pretend that CBJ was his first choice either

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Uncle Jim seems like he's a pretty cool uncle. There was some nasty stuff being directed at Johnny and his family that day on Twitter, and Jim was positive with most of the people he was interacting with. That response wasn't ideal, but I wouldn't read too much into it. He clearly knows that not all Flames fans felt that way about Johnny, but he was just defending his nephew on Twitter

Nasty stuff directed at Johnny, while not right but fair game. But directed at his family is uncalled for. His family has nothing to do with this, his family members were nothing but class after the signing. They thanked all the Flames fans for cheering for Johnny on.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I thought I heard something about less trade protection/NMC with NJD, too.

I'm not sure anybody really dialed in the NJD AAV; Friedman seemed pretty certain it was under 10 though.

Other reports said “above 9”. It seemed clear it wasn’t as high in some of them. I also heard clause issues, but that’s weird because he didn’t get much more than standard with Columbus.

[Oil Stain]

I feel like if Flames fans should be mad at anyone, it should be Treliving.

When UFA signings go right to the wire its 50-50 at best that they stay in their current city.

Why didn't Treliving sign Gaudreau to an extension last summer when Johnny expressed interest?

Even the big Calgary offer didn't come until the very last minute. I get that a GM doesn't want to overpay anyone, but JG was the team's best player and Brad grinded him for every last nickel on his last contract. `

Sure, if you are New York go ahead and roll the dice, but if you're a Western Canadian Club you should get an answer on the player before the 11th hour.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I feel like if Flames fans should be mad at anyone, it should be Treliving.

When UFA signings go right to the wire its 50-50 at best that they stay in their current city.

Why didn't Treliving sign Gaudreau to an extension last summer when Johnny expressed interest?

Even the big Calgary offer didn't come until the very last minute. I get that a GM doesn't want to overpay anyone, but JG was the team's best player and Brad grinded him for every last nickel on his last contract. `

Sure, if you are New York go ahead and roll the dice, but if you're a Western Canadian Club you should get an answer on the player before the 11th hour.

You could always read the thread and find out the answers.

For example: Treliving did try and sign Gaudreau last summer, the discussions didn’t pan out and they agreed to try again after the season. Johnny indicated that he was willing.

The big offer came late, but after the ask by Gaudreau, which they matched. And they previously offered a contract almost exactly what he ended up taking (except with an extra year).

Sorry not everyone wants to sign their Darnell Nurses to ridiculous contracts a year out.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I feel like if Flames fans should be mad at anyone, it should be Treliving.

When UFA signings go right to the wire its 50-50 at best that they stay in their current city.

Why didn't Treliving sign Gaudreau to an extension last summer when Johnny expressed interest?

Even the big Calgary offer didn't come until the very last minute. I get that a GM doesn't want to overpay anyone, but JG was the team's best player and Brad grinded him for every last nickel on his last contract. `

Sure, if you are New York go ahead and roll the dice, but if you're a Western Canadian Club you should get an answer on the player before the 11th hour.

C’mon. This has all been covered ad nauseam.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

For example: Treliving did try and sign Gaudreau last summer, the discussions didn’t pan out and they agreed to try again after the season. Johnny indicated that he was willing.

And why didn't talks pan out? Treliving likely wanted a bargain contract. If he had offered a generous contract and Gaudreau still balked, he would have had his answer.

He should have had more urgency IMO.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

And why didn't talks pan out?

Because Gaudreau wanted to focus on the season instead of contract talks and wanted to take a chance on himself and increase his value after two iffy seasons. If Treliving didn't respect his wish and kept trying to get a deal done he risked pissing him off.

I don't blame Treliving for not offering 10.5 x 8 last summer. And many people on here would have been pissed if he did.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

And why didn't talks pan out? Treliving likely wanted a bargain contract. If he had offered a generous contract and Gaudreau still balked, he would have had his answer.

He should have had more urgency IMO.

Because that’s not how Gross does business? Because Treliving offered a contract commensurate with Gaudreau’s performance over the previous couple seasons and Johnny wanted a chance to improve his stats?

What would you have offered then?

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

And why didn't talks pan out? Treliving likely wanted a bargain contract. If he had offered a generous contract and Gaudreau still balked, he would have had his answer.

He should have had more urgency IMO.

John was leaving.
10.5 last week or last month wouldn't have changed that.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

And why didn't talks pan out? Treliving likely wanted a bargain contract. If he had offered a generous contract and Gaudreau still balked, he would have had his answer.

He should have had more urgency IMO.

But JG didn't have the year he had this year, until this year... That was literally a 10 million dollar goal.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by RogerWilco

But JG didn't have the year he had this year, until this year... That was literally a 10 million dollar goal.

That was not a $10mil goal. It was a massive 115 point year for Gaudreau that led to this. I highly doubt scoring or not scoring that OT goal would have changed the Flames/Devils/Isles/Jakcets offers or desires to sign him.

[FBI]

Finally got through this entire thread. Many of you have better hearts than me who have come around and aren’t mad at Johnny anymore.

My favorite player since Iggy. Still feel super betrayed and pissed. Can’t imagine I EVER would have boo’ed Gaudreau, but now I’m sure it’s going to happen and I’m not going to feel bad about it at all. I’ve lost a lot of excitement about the team, a lot of respect for the player, and I’m going to be pissed for awhile.

Just Brutal all around. F@&k

Feel bad for his teammates and the fans and Sutter finishing unfinished business.
I really hope they surprise me and still have a good team but not feeling good about it.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

John was leaving.
10.5 last week or last month wouldn't have changed that.

His wife had him by the jock strap and kind of forced the decision on him. A baby on the way and wanting to be closer to family in all made it tough.

From watching him talk on various networks I could tell he was very uncomfortable with telling the fan base on why he wasn't going to return. Probably many sleepless nights of anxiety with his mind wondering how he could let the fan base know of the reasons why he chose to move on.

Tre and the ownership group gambled that he was going to stay. Even his constant message of how he liked it here and wanted to stay had them believeing. In hindsight he should have been traded at last years draft.

It will be interesting to see how Tre deals with Tkachuk.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by jayswin

That was not a $10mil goal. It was a massive 115 point year for Gaudreau that led to this. I highly doubt scoring or not scoring that OT goal would have changed the Flames/Devils/Isles/Jakcets offers or desires to sign him.

This was the only year he performed in the playoffs with anything worth mention. I love JG but his ability under pressure is pretty lack luster. I'm certain a lot of his veracity this year is in large part due to Sutter.

Lets see what JG can do under John T.. May prove me wrong.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by RogerWilco

This was the only year he performed in the playoffs with anything worth mention. I love JG but his ability under pressure is pretty lack luster. I'm certain a lot of his veracity this year is in large part due to Sutter.

Lets see what JG can do under John T.. May prove me wrong.

I agree, except John Tortorella went to Philly, and Brad Larsen is the coach of CBJ. I don’t think Johnny would have gone there if Torts was the coach.

[dino7c]

Gaudreau had a better playoffs but he still really choked against the Oilers in the last few games...he didn't look dangerous at all

Flames issue is going to be making the playoffs without his points IMO...I think they can make a better playoff team better utilizing that 10.5M