Flames to announce plans to announce arena plans in the... future...

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by polak

One day this thread will be bumped with a title change and we will all collectively #### a brick.

Or cry or pass out or jump for joy

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by polak

One day this thread will be bumped with a title change and we will all collectively #### a brick.

I would hope that any actual real arena news would justify a new thread.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by polak

One day this thread will be bumped with a title change and we will all collectively #### a brick.

For the new thread title, I suggest:

"Flames to announce arena plans in the... past..."

[Yoho]

Glimpse into what the fans in Edmonton should expect for luxury and ticket price increase in their new building.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2015/02/0...-ticket-prices

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

There are a few issues surrounding the Sens "looking" downtown.

1. The federal government basically asked them to look at it, as the government wants to develop the LeBreton Flats
2. The Canadian Tire Centre just had a huge renovation (LED lighting, new screens throughout, new powerring, etc)
3. Canadian Tire Centre is a fantastic arena, with relatively easy highway access. After seeing a Sens game there two weeks ago I was amazed how much easier it was to get to and from the rink than 10 years ago
4. There's no highway (so I'm told) that will allow mass traffic in and out of the downtown core easily. Meaning the infrastructre isn't there for a 18-20,000 seat arena (again so I'm told I don't actually know)

That said, I'd be ok with Ottawa getting a new rink downtown, as Kanata is way out there. On the other hand, friends of mine live near the rink in Kanata and their land values would likely drop, so yeah, sucks for them.

The CFL Stadium is right downtown and its near all the government buildings, Rideau Canal etc. They are building up light rail there as well. If everyone drove it might get a bit congested but there's a ton of people around there all day so they can easily handle it with a bit of congestion.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Glimpse into what the fans in Edmonton should expect for luxury and ticket price increase in their new building.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2015/02/0...-ticket-prices

Nose bleeds to more than double in price while lower bowl stays the same.

I wonder if Calgary could get away with the same? Depends on how the team is doing I guess, but on some nights, people can't give away 300 level seats. I know that a new rink alone will attract people. But I remember reading an article about how new stadiums only increase attendance for about two years before the luster wears off and then it all goes back to team performance.

[RM14]

I would guess there will be no season ticket price seats cheaper than the current orange saddledome price level in Calgary's new building.

Press Level seats are huge in number, and terrible in quality (rows 4+ that is). Our new nosebleeds will be of a much higher quality and refelcted in the price.

[greentree]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

The CFL Stadium is right downtown and its near all the government buildings, Rideau Canal etc. They are building up light rail there as well. If everyone drove it might get a bit congested but there's a ton of people around there all day so they can easily handle it with a bit of congestion.

Woah, Landowne Park in Ottawa is not "right downtown."

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

Nose bleeds to more than double in price while lower bowl stays the same.

I wonder if Calgary could get away with the same? Depends on how the team is doing I guess, but on some nights, people can't give away 300 level seats. I know that a new rink alone will attract people. But I remember reading an article about how new stadiums only increase attendance for about two years before the luster wears off and then it all goes back to team performance.

Ticket prices will obviously go up, and probably more than we would like or think is reasonable. However, I don't think they will go up as much as Edmotnon. As Locke and others have said, Oilfans have shown they'll swallow as much kool-aid as they can and keep coming back for more. Flames fans have reacted more rationally to success and failure.

Also, I think Edmonton prices will eventually level off. They still have a two year cushion to milk the fans, I don't think they'll lose too much ticketwise until at least one year in the new building. Especially with what Oilfans have shown us. Though not as many as before, there are still a lot of people who want to keep their tickets for the opening of the new arena (the promise of McDavid, etc.). There is this highly irrational belief that if they just get through to event 'x' things will be ok and their loyalty will be rewarded. I bet some people even think that owning season tickets in the new arena is a smart investment.

Only when they still suck in the new arena will we see some rational behavior from the fans.

[psicodude]

The city has purchased the land that GSL sits on. That has to be good news, no? Maybe this land deal has been holding the entire process up?

http://http://calgaryherald.com/business/commercial-real-estate/gsl-land-deal-fuels-speculation-of-new-arena-condo-towers

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by psicodude

The city has purchased the land that GSL sits on. That has to be good news, no? Maybe this land deal has been holding the entire process up?

http://http://calgaryherald.com/business/commercial-real-estate/gsl-land-deal-fuels-speculation-of-new-arena-condo-towers

I'd say this is where the new arena is going to happen. Crowchild Trail is also about to undergo upgrades, which ties in.

[Obsidian]

Of course King has nothing to add. I think he owes us a hint, at least, if this has anything to do with it.

[Bunk]

City has long planned to acquire all the property here. Question will be whether the economics pencil out. Major environmental remediation and infrastructure will cost in the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS to prepare the land for redevelopment. Assuming that's CRL debt to finance, it will take a lot of high density development to be able to pay back that debt. Add a sports facility (which presumably will demand additional CRL money to finance its construction) and that takes away a lot of land to redevelop for other uses that contribute tax revenue, making the pro forma even more challenging. Might make more sense if you could get the Province to gift the portion to cover environmental remediation, but that doesn't seem likely, at least not for several years. I guess I have no problem stating this since my comments to this effect were quoted in the paper after the FOIP of Mayor's Office emails on the topic...

If this is a site they're pursuing, at very least I hope it's not the only one they're serious about looking at.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

I'd say this is where the new arena is going to happen. Crowchild Trail is also about to undergo upgrades, which ties in.

It's about to undergo a new study on how to upgrade it. Zero percent of any actual project is funded at this point.

[ricosuave]

Sounds like it would me a logistical nightmare to redevelop that area and the infrastructure around it.

But what a great location it would be...

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by psicodude

The city has purchased the land that GSL sits on. That has to be good news, no? Maybe this land deal has been holding the entire process up?

http://http://calgaryherald.com/business/commercial-real-estate/gsl-land-deal-fuels-speculation-of-new-arena-condo-towers

So.....the City will NOT use tax payer money to "publicly fund" part of some real estate development project (new arena complex).....

.....but they will use $37m of tax payer money to make an "opportunity acquisition" to buy land that may or may not be used for muni purposes.

Got it.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

So.....the City will NOT use tax payer money to "publicly fund" part of some real estate development project (new arena complex).....

.....but they will use $37m of tax payer money to make an "opportunity acquisition" to buy land that may or may not be used for muni purposes.

Got it.

There's no arena proposal on the table, so the acquisition of this land is entirely independent of a hypothetical idea of an arena here.

[RM14]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

.....but they will use $37m of tax payer money to make an "opportunity acquisition" to buy land that may or may not be used for muni purposes.

Got it.

The City of Calgary would still own the land and will eventually realize a massive gain sometime later this century. Right now the land is useless and the infrastructure is a mess which is the city’s fault for poor plannig. I think it's a good use of 37 million.

Sunny downtown riverfront property should not remain environmentally damaged and held by car dealerships this day and age.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

I'd say this is where the new arena is going to happen. Crowchild Trail is also about to undergo upgrades, which ties in.

Entrepreneurs should start building pubs on 19th St NW, and further up on Kensington Road.

And Peace Bridge2 please.

[heep223]

In all seriousness. What's with Ken King dangling the carrot for so long and giving specific timelines that a proposal will be released to the public, and then not releasing it? Why would he do this? Is it a ploy/PR, or does it keep hitting setbacks somehow internally? I don't really get it tbh.

I was talking to my season ticket rep about something else and I asked him bluntly about the arena, and he also gave me the impression that something was coming very, very soon. Like be on the edge of your seat kind of soon (he didn't actually say this). This was in November.