[News] UPD: Schwindt claimed by VGK. Pelletier and Cooley clear waivers

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Flames first round pick doesn’t pan out. News at 11.

Maybe I’m missing some inside joke here, but this really isn’t a thing anymore. Pelletier might be the only 1st since 2013 to not pan out. All other 1sts are legit NHL players, or in the case of the recent couple of drafts (Coronato and Honzek) are now tracking to be players.

One first round miss in 11 drafts is a vast improvement on the annual wasted (pelech, Nemisz etc) 1st round pick of old.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Sharangovich starts the year on the IR, they didn't have to waive Pelletier. Or Cooley I suppose. Just weird decision making.

What's this now?

They were always going to waive Cooley, not sure what that has to do with JP?

Its far from a "weird" decision, and in fact its the exact same decision every team in the league made on their own players yesterday and throughout training camp.

If you aren't good enough to play in the NHL and there are guys better at you at this time...then you don't start in the NHL.

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

What does keeping Hanley on the roster accomplish ?

Eight D men is better for practices. In 5 on 5 drills and scrimmages it allows the defence to remain in their pairs and get the same amount of rest as forwards. Having two extra D is much more functional than have two extra forwards.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I just think too many people equate putting on waivers with getting rid of a player.

That's not the case at all.

Actually, since you are risking the player as he can be claimed, to some extent you may be.

It doesn't mean you think he's useless, but they are saying you think he's likely not to get claimed. Which is a statement in itself.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by transplant99

what's this now?

They were always going to waive cooley, not sure what that has to do with jp?

Its far from a "weird" decision, and in fact its the exact same decision every team in the league made on their own players yesterday and throughout training camp.

If you aren't good enough to play in the nhl and there are guys better at you at this time...then you don't start in the nhl.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1843295596398125427

Just saying I think they could have kept one of those guys rather than waive both. I may be mistaken.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Toonage

https://twitter.com/user/status/1843295596398125427

Just saying I think they could have kept one of those guys rather than waive both. I may be mistaken.

That's what I was saying yesterday, with Sharky going on the IR as I was told it was likely "weeks" I'm surprised they chose to waive him.

Guess we'll find out shortly if he was claimed, is it 10AM mst for the cutoff?

[Toast_Man]

Who did they have Pelletier playing with in preseason? Did he even get a serious look? It feels like the ghost of Tre is in the building.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Royle9

That's what I was saying yesterday, with Sharky going on the IR as I was told it was likely "weeks" I'm surprised they chose to waive him.

Guess we'll find out shortly if he was claimed, is it 10AM mst for the cutoff?

I think the cut off is now 2 est, so 12 our time

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Toast_Man

Who did they have Pelletier playing with in preseason? Did he even get a serious look? It feels like the ghost of Tre is in the building.

What it feels like is the ghost of oiler fans in here whining that a roster spot wasn’t gifted to an underperforming former first round pick. This wasn’t some gross miscarriage of justice: guy tried to make the team, guy didn’t play well enough to make the team, guy gets sent to the AHL. What’s so controversial here? Sheesh

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Toast_Man

Who did they have Pelletier playing with in preseason? Did he even get a serious look? It feels like the ghost of Tre is in the building.

Played with Backlund & Coleman at least twice

[rhino]

Originally Posted by HitterD

Maybe I’m missing some inside joke here, but this really isn’t a thing anymore. Pelletier might be the only 1st since 2013 to not pan out. All other 1sts are legit NHL players, or in the case of the recent couple of drafts (Coronato and Honzek) are now tracking to be players.

One first round miss in 11 drafts is a vast improvement on the annual wasted (pelech, Nemisz etc) 1st round pick of old.

And Pelletier was a late 1st in a relatively weak draft

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Toast_Man

Who did they have Pelletier playing with in preseason? Did he even get a serious look? It feels like the ghost of Tre is in the building.

Are you serious? Even if Pelletier ends up carving an NHL career, it's likely in a bottom 6 role. It's unfortunate that another 1st round pick didn't turn out but there's not point in fixating on past mistakes and I like that the team isn't getting caught up in the sunk cost fallacy. This organization needs to keep swinging at elite skillset players and not look back.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Royle9

That's what I was saying yesterday, with Sharky going on the IR as I was told it was likely "weeks" I'm surprised they chose to waive him.

Guess we'll find out shortly if he was claimed, is it 10AM mst for the cutoff?

You waive the guy on the big waiver day because he is more likely to clear. then you can keep him up for a month and send him down later without waivers if need be. waiving a guy in 3 weeks is much higher risk.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Royle9

That's what I was saying yesterday, with Sharky going on the IR as I was told it was likely "weeks" I'm surprised they chose to waive him.

Guess we'll find out shortly if he was claimed, is it 10AM mst for the cutoff?

He can still play, though, even after he has been waived, no? I think the critical piece here is the timing. The Flames picked yesterday to waive him in an effort to make sure he clears. But, once Pelletier has cleared, I believe he can still play games with the Flames, if they want. The rationale is that he was more likely to clear yesterday than in the last week of October—he can still stay on the roster for 30 days or so before needing to be waived again.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I wonder if the reaction is the same with the Canes fan base over seeing Suzuki (drafted 2 spots after JP) being waived yesterday as well?

Also a bigger guy who plays C.

Maybe both clear and their is a "change of scenery" trade?

I doubt it. Suzuki still hasn’t played an NHL game and even as a much older player, his AHL performance doesn’t come close to Pelletier. Pelletier was maybe top 5 in the AHL for his age group.

Some fans seems to forget that Pelletier was on track before his injury. Now it’s a results league, and what matters is how you perform now but at least with Pelletier you can point to a significant factor that could lead to some optimism for his potential.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

He can still play, though, even after he has been waived, no? I think the critical piece here is the timing. The Flames picked yesterday to waive him in an effort to make sure he clears. But, once Pelletier has cleared, I believe he can still play games with the Flames, if they want. The rationale is that he was more likely to clear yesterday than in the last week of October—he can still stay on the roster for 30 days or so before needing to be waived again.

This is my take as well. Yesterday was the best day to try and clear a guy.

That said, I think there is a good change MTL picks him up, since they are struggling with injuries.

I thought that Pelletier played well, but he was unable to steal a spot from someone else. He is far from bust, his positioning is NHL caliber it's just his strength in puck battles, and offensive drive that need improvement.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by HitterD

Maybe I’m missing some inside joke here, but this really isn’t a thing anymore. Pelletier might be the only 1st since 2013 to not pan out. All other 1sts are legit NHL players, or in the case of the recent couple of drafts (Coronato and Honzek) are now tracking to be players.

One first round miss in 11 drafts is a vast improvement on the annual wasted (pelech, Nemisz etc) 1st round pick of old.

From 2013 to Pelletier there was only one non top 6 pick, Valimaki and he was a bust as far as the Flames are concerned

The stats you pointed out really doesn’t say much but yeah in general you can’t say the flames drafted well or not recently

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Are you serious? Even if Pelletier ends up carving an NHL career, it's likely in a bottom 6 role. It's unfortunate that another 1st round pick didn't turn out but there's not point in fixating on past mistakes and I like that the team isn't getting caught up in the sunk cost fallacy. This organization needs to keep swinging at elite skillset players and not look back.

Yeah he's not shaping up to be a great pick. The gamble was he had enough skill to be a middle 6 scoring winger. But he just doesn't seem to have that, and then doesn't have the size to fill a different role.

That part if the draft though hasn't produced anything. The remainder of the 1st was Nolan Foote, Ryan Suzuki, Brayden Tracey, John Beecher, and Ryan Johnson. I think at the time, some were lamenting that they didn't pick Kaliyev who went 33rd, and has 71 points in the NHL so far, but also a ton of warts.

The guy you probably would take in a do-over is Pinto at 32.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

From 2013 to Pelletier there was only one non top 6 pick, Valimaki and he was a bust as far as the Flames are concerned

The stats you pointed out really doesn’t say much but yeah in general you can’t say the flames drafted well or not recently

Nah....

Middle of the first round players that play 225 NHL games (so far) and have had crippling injuries aren't busts.

[All In Good Time]

All the consternation about Pelletier getting waived while there is an argument that there were forwards that out performed him in camp (some their first camp) that were cut days before him.
I believe he was treated really well considering his camp, how many camps he's been in and the day chosen to waive him. Every effort has been taken to keep him in the organization.