2023/24 No Hope Flames Rumours & Speculation Thread

[Old Yeller]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

That Monahan + 1st trade might be my least favourite move of Treliving's entire tenure.

You had one year left on that contract, he was a fan favourite, and TBH he was probably going to be hurt and on LTIR anyways (which he ended up being).

Didn't like it at the time, like it even worse now.

It doesn't help that Kadri has 1 point in 6 games and is, at times, playing with a such a level of indifference that he's by far the most frustrating player for me to watch.

We all expected that contract to be bad by the end of it, I didn't expect it would be in year 2.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

if this is the case, Calgary will have two top 10 picks and they only have to give Montreal one, meaning the Flames would still have one top 10 pick remaining to build around. Not the worst start for a rebuild, even if Montreal drafts the next Sidney Crosby with our pick

Nope. If Florida has a top ten pick in 24 or 25 then the Flames get Florida's 26th pick and basically have no protection on their own pick unless it is 1st overall.

[CroCop]

Anybody who thought the last 18 months was rough for the Flames…hang on…I don’t see it getting any better for a long time. I wonder who will be around when they turn it around. I can’t see a next generation of fans being born and that’s probably the saddest part. Like if your a young kid who’s jersey are you buying. Probably entering a phase worse than the “young guns” era. Thanks Brad for absolutely crippling this franchise!

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by CroCop

Anybody who thought the last 18 months was rough for the Flames…hang on…I don’t see it getting any better for a long time. I wonder who will be around when they turn it around. I can’t see a next generation of fans being born and that’s probably the saddest part. Like if your a young kid who’s jersey are you buying. Probably entering a phase worse than the “young guns” era. Thanks Brad for absolutely crippling this franchise!

Thye jsut need to take a deep run at some point. 04 created another generation of Flames fans

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by CroCop

Anybody who thought the last 18 months was rough for the Flames…hang on…I don’t see it getting any better for a long time. I wonder who will be around when they turn it around. I can’t see a next generation of fans being born and that’s probably the saddest part. Like if your a young kid who’s jersey are you buying. Probably entering a phase worse than the “young guns” era. Thanks Brad for absolutely crippling this franchise!

Probably pretty safe buying a Kadri or a Huberdeau. Everyone else will be gone by the time their deals are up.

[FlamesAddiction]

Top Shelf Hockey reported that that Timo Meier has already fallen out of favour in New Jersey and they are concerned that he isn't a fit for the team. He is just entering the 1st year of his 8 year extension with an $8.8 million cap hit.

He has only played like 30 regular season games for them, plus 11 playoff games, so it seems kind of early for them to give up on him, but it is noteworthy that he has no trade protection this season. After this season, he gets a full NMC for a few years, followed by a modified NMC in the latter part of the contract.

[CroCop]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Probably pretty safe buying a Kadri or a Huberdeau. Everyone else will be gone by the time their deals are up.

The only people buying those are the same ones who bought Brouwers and Neal’s

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Top Shelf Hockey reported that that Timo Meier has already fallen out of favour in New Jersey and they are concerned that he isn't a fit for the team. He is just entering the 1st year of his 8 year extension with an $8.8 million cap hit.

He has only played like 30 regular season games for them, plus 11 playoff games, so it seems kind of early for them to give up on him, but it is noteworthy that he has no trade protection this season. After this season, he gets a full NMC for a few years, followed by a modified NMC in the latter part of the contract.

I think Huby would look great in a NJD uniform. Probably a 200 point per season player there. It's gotta happen now for it to make sense though.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

That Monahan + 1st trade might be my least favourite move of Treliving's entire tenure.

You had one year left on that contract, he was a fan favourite, and TBH he was probably going to be hurt and on LTIR anyways (which he ended up being).

Didn't like it at the time, like it even worse now.

It's definitely in the running for worst trade in Flames history. It probably won't beat the Gilmour trade, but if that pick ends up being a 2nd or 3rd overall and that player lives up to that draft position, it might. I think it's already 2nd or 3rd worst even without knowing how bad it's going to get. The only reason to consider the Phaneuf trade worse is that the team was actually good at the time and with the right move it could have been a contender. This trade happened when the team was already screwed and 'only' dug the hole deeper.

I already thought Treliving was the worst GM in team history. For now that is a fringe opinion, but within a couple of years I think that will be the consensus one.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I think Huby would look great in a NJD uniform. Probably a 200 point per season player there. It's gotta happen now for it to make sense though.

I'd keep Hubredeau over Meier. Maybe they can trade Kadri and Coleman for him lol

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

That Monahan + 1st trade might be my least favourite move of Treliving's entire tenure.

You had one year left on that contract, he was a fan favourite, and TBH he was probably going to be hurt and on LTIR anyways (which he ended up being).

Didn't like it at the time, like it even worse now.

Agreed. Wasn't ever a fan of Kadri during his TO or COL days. I was one of those that thought it was time to move on from Monahan, but never at the expense of giving up a 1st and most certainly not so that his cap space could be used to sign a 32 year old to a 7x7 contract. Now with clarity on how the Flames can get further hosed...my god. Given the hockey gods are permanently against us, I can 100% envision worst case scenario raining down. Without question. Should have ridden out that last year, passed on Kadri, and the team would have been in the exact same place it is now, but without 6 more years of that term left.

It is beyond horrid that entire Monahan divorce and how it will play out over the next few seasons. By far BT's worst move during his tenure here.

[Naitix]

Huby would flourish in NJ, one of the fastest teams. If you remember that save Sorokin made on Jack Hughes last week, look how fast Hughes turns to go through the middle of the ice, as soon as the puck has a hint of turnover - he is already turning the other way, insane pace.

No idea how good Meier is, maybe will report back after seeing how he scores his goals and if it would work with the Flames

[Vinny01]

Sounds like more discussion on playing as a team vs individuals. This seems to have been a theme since last year. Kadri made a comment at all-star break about it and now Zadorov is stating it. Is this all about Huberdeau?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Sounds like more discussion on playing as a team vs individuals. This seems to have been a theme since last year. Kadri made a comment at all-star break about it and now Zadorov is stating it. Is this all about Huberdeau?

They are Frankenteam that is a hobbled together mess of players that have no chemistry. Huberdeau needs speedy guys with some finish. Kadri, Lindholm, and Mangiapane seem to double clutch on all of his passes. I can't remember which game it was but Kadri couldn't get a shot off three plays in a row on the same powerplay.
If anything it a shot at all the UFAs on the team that want to wait and see

[Fuzz]

I predict continued mediocrity for the foreseeable future.


Mediocrates should be the new team mascot. They've lived it long enough.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Naitix

Huby would flourish in NJ, one of the fastest teams. If you remember that save Sorokin made on Jack Hughes last week, look how fast Hughes turns to go through the middle of the ice, as soon as the puck has a hint of turnover - he is already turning the other way, insane pace.

No idea how good Meier is, maybe will report back after seeing how he scores his goals and if it would work with the Flames

Meier is more of a power forward. Not fancy, but great shot and physical. I think he would fit the Flames current roster better than Huberdeau, even if on paper, Huberdeau has more offensive upside.

If New Jersey could be convinced that Huberdeau would fit their team better than Meier, I would do that trade even if we had to retain cap hit to make it a wash. Would probably have to add a sweetener as well since Meier is 3 years younger.

It's a pipe dream of course. I can't see any team gambling on Huberdeau unless he turns it around fast. I am also not sure if Huberdeau would waive either.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I predict continued mediocrity for the foreseeable future.


Mediocrates should be the new team mascot. They've lived it long enough.

This is our society today.
Show up and get a participation ribbon and be congratulated that you made enough of an effort to show up.

Winning is just not a great look to have since it comes at the expense of others.
The Flames are just embracing this woke societal expectation earlier than its fans have.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

It is beyond horrid that entire Monahan divorce and how it will play out over the next few seasons. By far BT's worst move during his tenure here.

Sadly, I don't think this was BT's worst move.

The contenders are:

• Huberdeau Contract
• Kadri Contract
• Tkachuk RFA contract that set up him being able to walk for nothing
• Not negotiating a contract extension with Johnny in the summer of 2021/trading him at that time
• Neal UFA contract
• Gulutzan coaching hire
• Monahan and an almost unprotected 1st for one year of cap relief

Then there are the lesser mistakes, like all the other coaching hires, Brouwer contract, anything related to goalies, most of the draft picks given away at trade deadlines, paying too much for 4th liners and 5/6/7 defensemen, etc, etc.

Personally, I would probably slot it in the top 5 for sure, maybe as high as #2 behind the Huberdeau contract. I guess if you consider the Monahan trade + Kadri contract as one single event then it's probably solidly in at #1 on the BT hit parade.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by shutout

This is our society today.
Show up and get a participation ribbon and be congratulated that you made enough of an effort to show up.

Winning is just not a great look to have since it comes at the expense of others.
The Flames are just embracing this woke societal expectation earlier than its fans have.

Well, this certainly is a take. Not sure what a poorly managed hockey team has to do with this old man rant about woke-ism tho.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Well, this certainly is a take. Not sure what a poorly managed hockey team has to do with this old man rant about woke-ism tho.

Boomers doing boomer things lol