[Signing] Flames sign Kylington (2 yrs, $2.5 mil AAV)

[TherapyforGlencross]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

I don't care about everyone equally. I care less about people I don't know. This is human nature. People here seem to be fantasizing some imaginary relationship they as a fan have with the players and OK specifically.

I don't care about Oliver's personal life any more than he cares about mine. We're both fine with that arrangement.

I do care that he's impacting my entertainment and the team's cap.

I don’t quite understand why your individual happiness trumps his desire for this to stay quiet.

[Strange Brew]

The Flames don’t know if/when he is returning to the club or I’m sure they would give some indication. Some fans just need the maturity to be able to deal with that uncertainty.

Beyond that, none of this is any of our business.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by TherapyforGlencross

I don’t quite understand why your individual happiness trumps his desire for this to stay quiet.

Because BoLevi doesn't know Kylington personally and therefore Kylington is not a real person. Or something like that.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

My theory is that OK got in over his head buying an entire dresser and bed combination from IKEA and he is still on page 3 of the instructions. Everyone knows what a serious situation that is so we are allowing him compassionate leave to work through it and decipher the hieroglyphics.

Dude is Swedish. Your theory doesn’t check out. Oliver puts that stuff together blindfolded with one hand while eating meatballs.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I mean hey I do get what you're saying, this is a super weird situation and one I have never seen before where a team won't put a guy on IR for whatever reason.

Putting him on injured reserve doesn't help the Flames right now. That is why he isn't on it.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It's not about caring with him as an individual that we think we have some connection with. It's about knowing that if a human being is going through whatever it is he is going through, that is more important than some silly game where a bunch of dudes skate around chasing a puck.

Basic human stuff.

Empathy is hard for those with Main Character Syndrome.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

I don't care about everyone equally. I care less about people I don't know. This is human nature. People here seem to be fantasizing some imaginary relationship they as a fan have with the players and OK specifically.

I don't care about Oliver's personal life any more than he cares about mine. We're both fine with that arrangement.

I do care that he's impacting my entertainment and the team's cap.

I do care that you're impacting my enjoyment of this board, so by your logic, you should stop posting here. And since I don't know you personally, I don't have to care about you or how that would affect you.

See how terrible that logic is? Caring about someone and having empathy for a difficult situation they are going through are two different things. You don't have to care about Oliver and his personal life to have empathy for the situation he's going through, and if you don't, I don't know what to tell you other than you probably need to look hard in the mirror at the type of person you are.

[tkflames]

I am not about guessing the root cause, or feel that the player owes the fans to divulge anything from a personal standpoint. However, I do believe the organization owes season ticket holders an impact statement on a monthly basis describing the upside/downside risk.

Something to the effect of "the nature of the situation could require the whole season (or rest of the calendar year, or rest of the month...whatever the high end risk is) to resolve, however we have spoken to the player and we have (no update or some positive steps that lead us to believe we could see him again in the next xx time)."

I get that this is only slightly less general than what is currently being done...but it does address the responsibility that I believe the team has to their season ticket holders to provide some communication on the product they will see, especially when it pertains to a roster player...

Just my thoughts. I understand the sentiment on both sides of the discussion...

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by tkflames

I am not about guessing the root cause, or feel that the player owes the fans to divulge anything from a personal standpoint. However, I do believe the organization owes season ticket holders an impact statement on a monthly basis describing the upside/downside risk.

Something to the effect of "the nature of the situation could require the whole season (or rest of the calendar year, or rest of the month...whatever the high end risk is) to resolve, however we have spoken to the player and we have (no update or some positive steps that lead us to believe we could see him again in the next xx time)."

I get that this is only slightly less general than what is currently being done...but it does address the responsibility that I believe the team has to their season ticket holders to provide some communication on the product they will see, especially when it pertains to a roster player...

Just my thoughts. I understand the sentiment on both sides of the discussion...

You’re not investors, though, you’re season ticket holders, which is more similar to a subscriber than an investor. They don’t provide a special explanation to you as to why they traded a player or why one player is getting less minutes than other, so why would they owe you a special explanation about this?

If I’m subscribing to a service I don’t expect special explanations about personnel decisions that go beyond why I’m subscribing. I’m not calling up HBO and asking why they changed the writing team for a show I like because I’m a subscriber and I’m owed an answer.

I don’t think the organization or Kylington owes anybody anything, and who is anyone to expect otherwise?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by tkflames

I am not about guessing the root cause, or feel that the player owes the fans to divulge anything from a personal standpoint. However, I do believe the organization owes season ticket holders an impact statement on a monthly basis describing the upside/downside risk.

Something to the effect of "the nature of the situation could require the whole season (or rest of the calendar year, or rest of the month...whatever the high end risk is) to resolve, however we have spoken to the player and we have (no update or some positive steps that lead us to believe we could see him again in the next xx time)."

I get that this is only slightly less general than what is currently being done...but it does address the responsibility that I believe the team has to their season ticket holders to provide some communication on the product they will see, especially when it pertains to a roster player...

Just my thoughts. I understand the sentiment on both sides of the discussion...

There are huge confidentiality issues involved here, so the discussion is likely moot anyway.

[The Fonz]

So many fans that have this deluded idea that "bUt i pAy hIS saLaRy!". You don't. You're not their employer, and you do not have the right to pry into these guys personal lives and harass them outside of the arena.

Many/most players may humor fans while trying to pick up their kids from school, or eat a meal in a restaurant with their family, and good on them. But by no means are they obligated to do so, nor do fans hold some kind of right to pester players just because you buy tickets to the games.

[Bingo]

Don't you just hate topics that go on and on arguing about something that is long dead, but you have to click on them just in case the the reason that it's at the top of the board is because there is actual news on the player?

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

So many fans that have this deluded idea that "bUt i pAy hIS saLaRy!". You don't. You're not their employer, and you do not have the right to pry into these guys personal lives and harass them outside of the arena.

Many/most players may humor fans while trying to pick up their kids from school, or eat a meal in a restaurant with their family, and good on them. But by no means are they obligated to do so, nor do fans hold some kind of right to pester players just because you buy tickets to the games.

There's really only one person being a dick in the thread.

Almost everyone else is just a fan of Kylington and simply wish him the best. A portion of those fans are content to leave it at that, and a portion are curious and are speculating what it could be, and I don't think that is disrespectful or wrong. We are fans, we wish him well, we are concerned about why he is away.

[Hack&Lube]

People have complained for years about how Calgary isn't a destination that players want to go to. You have to also realize that the way the organization treats Kylington is also seen by the other players and it shows them that the organization will respect them, care about them, and even continue paying them if a serious situation like this happens. Rather than pulling the rug out from under a player, the organization has bent over backwards and that has to signify something to the other plays not named Oliver Kylington.

[united]

The last credible person I can recall reporting on this was Elliotte Friedman, briefly, on the 32 Thoughts Podcast. Full quote for context as part of their discussion on Jakub Vrana entering treatment through the NHL/NHLPA Substance Abuse and Behavioral Health Program.

“The other thing I’d like to say is there’s a big debate about whether or not these announcements should be made. Okay. And I understand everybody’s position on it. I think the worst thing is you know (Vrana) is on the non-roster list for a couple days and then there’s speculation, right. Sometimes I think the speculation is worse than the truth, because in this day and age – and we see this in a lot of different stories – reporters won’t report on the speculation, so it goes wild on social media and the internet. I actually think it’s better that you come out and say this is what it is – and the other thing is I understand people might get embarrassed that they need the help…but I think the vast majority of people right now look at it like you have no reason to be embarrassed. I think we’ve come a long way in a long time. The first thing should be help. And I think that’s what the League and the Players’ Association recognize. Like, Oliver Kylington is going through a tough time, too, you know…and they say he’s going to get help for whatever it is he needs and people are like okay, we get that. I understand people value their privacy and to be perfectly honest, last year I missed a couple of shows – or I missed one show – and then I kind of went off Twitter for a week and I had to announce I had COVID and that was the reason I was shutting down. And I didn’t like that I had to do that. I actually waited for a while and then I did it. But I think that nowadays it’s better than the alternative and people understand. They just do. I don’t think anybody should say that you don’t want to make the announcement to prevent embarrassment. I don’t think that’s the message we should be sending anymore.”

Also, while the focus is often substance abuse, the NHL/NHLPA Substance Abuse and Behavioral Health Program supports and advises on a variety of situations as its name suggests. As an example, the NHL/NHLPA Substance Abuse and Behavioral Health Program recommended the Blue Jackets' Alex Texier not join the Blue Jackets for the entire 2022-23 season while he endures a battle with mental health.

All the best to Kylington, and all the players being supported by the program - Texier, Vrana, Berdin, and I'm sure more.

[Robbob]

At the end of the day I respect that the Flames are treating the players as actual people rather than a commodity. I am sure at the end of this, the players know the organization has their backs. Probably goes a long way in establishing that trust and relationships with the players and their peers that the team will support their players. There are some teams out there that probably would not have given the player the run way if it meant more cap space or the opportunity to get help in the short term.

[Number 39]

In my opinion fans/media are within their rights to ask questions and the Flames organization is also within their rights to not answer these questions.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

I don't care about everyone equally. I care less about people I don't know. This is human nature. People here seem to be fantasizing some imaginary relationship they as a fan have with the players and OK specifically.

I don't care about Oliver's personal life any more than he cares about mine. We're both fine with that arrangement.

I do care that he's impacting my entertainment and the team's cap.

I actually doubt that. He has no idea you exist. But if he watched you play hockey often, saw you interviewed multiple times, and watched you progress in your career I imagine he actually would kinda care about your personal well-being. Seems to be human nature if you are a semi-decent human being.

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by Robbob

At the end of the day I respect that the Flames are treating the players as actual people rather than a commodity. I am sure at the end of this, the players know the organization has their backs. Probably goes a long way in establishing that trust and relationships with the players and their peers that the team will support their players. There are some teams out there that probably would not have given the player the run way if it meant more cap space or the opportunity to get help in the short term.

Except on the flip side it is ok to go after the GM for the mishandling of an asset...JG. I don't know that I would use the word "commodity" and we all understand that #### happens in life...as GM you are not in HR you are in charge of the business activities of the team and business is business. OK needs some slack...fine. But the rope is only so long.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by united

All the best to Kylington, and all the players being supported by the program - Texier, Vrana, Berdin, and I'm sure more.

Kylington's absence is not substance abuse related.


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