[News] All-encompassing Bennett trade discussions thread

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Even when Bennett is "on" during the playoffs he is chopping wood out there...he doesn't have the skill to be a top six player IMO. He did well on a crash and bang line.

Yeah, my vivid recollection of at least some of his points in the POs were like when he arrived at the goalmouth after his line mates created the play and he managed to whack the puck in over the scrum.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Look, he didn’t come out and demand a trade. Just think about it

He may very well have seen newly signed fringe NHLers making around minimum wage gifted chances he thought he earned in the playoffs

Maybe the Flames earned questions from Bennett as to where they see things going

Bennett is concerned that if his work for the team in the playoffs earned him no good will, where do things stand? Does he have a role and future here?

I think it’s reasonable to say that if the team doesn’t want to give him a role in line with what he has given them, he is open to exploring teams who may

Friedman called his agent and got a response he ran with

That’s where we are.

Bennett isn’t wrong here

That fact that he would like out puts the Flames at a disadvantage when it comes to any possible trades. And his agent did Bennet no favours also. Think on that for a minute.

I don't buy the team team doesn't want to gve him a role. Management and coaches have been more than fair with him over the years and offered him numerous chances to define his role on the team. He only has himself to blame.

If he wants out, I hope Tre gets a good value in retrun.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I saw Bennett on the PK

Maybe his deployment changed because he asked for an expanded role.

Makes sense, no?

Did you see Bennet on the PP tonight with Monahan & Gaudreau?

[krynski]

Oh good! Another thread we can debate whether or not Bennett deserves better linemates!

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

I'm honestly baffled anyone could be so deep in Bennetts camp at this point. Why are you as strong of a booster for Sam as you are?

Are you related to him or are you a personal friend?

Those are the only reasons I can imagine anyone actually caring if he stays or leaves. And no I won't give a rats ass about how good he plays for 6 ish playoff games every year when he consistently fails to make his linemates better for 82 games

Not sure what you mean, friend

I don’t know the guy.

I am fully open to upgrading on the guy if it makes sense for the team.

He has been a disappointment in terms of where he is at now, and also how he has been managed. They are related

Lots of people have really simple views

[Manhattanboy]

Bennett's agent to hire a Madison Avenue marketing firm.

[dino7c]

Frolik wanted more opportunity...now he is on a taxi squad

[Braden]

Would Ottawa take a flyer on him? Something around Connor Brown? With Lindholm at C hes instantly our best RW

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Not sure what you mean, friend

I don’t know the guy.

I am fully open to upgrading on the guy if it makes sense for the team.

He has been a disappointment in terms of where he is at now, and also how he has been managed. They are related

Lots of people have really simple views

I questioned it mostly based on superficial things like your username and profile pic, it wasn't a slight against you as I was genuinely curious.

And ill also agree he hasn't been managed the best, but even if he had been taken care of in the most optimal way, he seems to have a brick between his ears. He won't be the flames worst draft pick ever but he won't be terribly far off

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Braden

Would Ottawa take a flyer on him? Something around Connor Brown? With Lindholm at C hes instantly our best RW

New to find some cap space to make that work

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Dion

That fact that he would like out puts the Flames at a disadvantage when it comes to any possible trades. And his agent did Bennet no favours also. Think on that for a minute.

I don't buy the team team doesn't want to gve him a role. Management and coaches have been more than fair with him over the years and offered him numerous chances to define his role on the team. He only has himself to blame.

If he wants out, I hope Tre gets a good value in retrun.

No. One game at a time, here and there, in spot chances, is not ‘numerous chances’

Many others have volunteered linemate data

Mangiapane had an atrocious 11 game pointless streak with Backlund and Tkachuk, and the unwavering support of coaches, which seems like an opportunity and patience

Just because you and others have this opinion that Bennett has had every opportunity doesn’t mean it is consistent with reality

The data is there

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

I questioned it mostly based on superficial things like your username and profile pic, it wasn't a slight against you as I was genuinely curious.

And ill also agree he hasn't been managed the best, but even if he had been taken care of in the most optimal way, he seems to have a brick between his ears. He won't be the flames worst draft pick ever but he won't be terribly far off

The user name predates him.

The pic came later as he has a great stache

If he has traded it will probably be replaced by Seth Bullock from Deadwood, once I can be bothered to figure out how to resize a pic to 100x100 pixels

[Dion]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

The user name predates him.

The pic came later as he has a great stache

If he has traded it will probably be replaced by Seth Bullock from Deadwood, once I can be bothered to figure out how to resize a pic to 100x100 pixels

[flylock shox]

I remember watching Bennett play in Penticton after being drafted. I think it was Gaudreau's 2nd year at the tournament and he was just streets better than the other Flames prospects at the time.

But I distinctly recall one offensive play where Bennett managed to slip the puck to Gaudreau in the slot for a great scoring chance, but it was such a slick play that Gaudreau was taken by surprise and couldn't finish it - something that had happened time and again during the tournament with Gaudreau's passes to other players. I thought we had another prospect on the team with the skill and vision to keep up with Johnny.

That's about the last flash of high end brilliance I can recall seeing from Bennett. Whether he got great opportunities or not, high calibre players always at least show flashes of brilliance here and there. Why Bennett stopped showing them I'll never know. Maybe he just finally found himself in a league where his skill and vision rose only to (or below) the mean, and he simply couldn't develop his game to compensate. Whatever the case, I have no doubt we'll never see him become much more than he is today - there are just no flashes of anything great skill or magic in his game.

That said, Bennett isn't unique in being a player who excels in the playoffs but not the regular season. Back when the Flames regularly made the postseason we all knew this: there were guys you kept on the roster because they rose to the big games. Most of us likely tend to forget that given the sporadic appearances the Flames have made in the playoffs lately.

So I'm happy to see him move on, but the Flames needn't rush. If they can get back to the playoffs this year they'll be glad to have him, even if it's only for a handful of games.

[genetic_phreek]

I wonder if we can do a one for one with new Jersey for Michael McLeod. He's a RHS that can skate like the wind but hasn't really able to break through similar to Bennett.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Dion

I may not wait for a trade!

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

He led our team and was our best forward in the playoffs, and they rewarded him by having him centre the 4th line with Lucic and Nordstrom while they gave Leivo and Simon prime minutes at the top of the roster.

This organization is so far up its own ass.

To be fair Simone was a plus player almost every year but 1. Also doesn't take that many penalties and has about the same points per game as Bennett. Nice Bennett showed up in the playoffs but theres 82 games in front of that you need to be productive in.

Bennett should have been seasoned a bit in the Ahl . Even a year or 2 . Even the no goods sent Drisaddle back to the whl.

[afc wimbledon]

lightweight

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

lightweight

Also a very good option. Those 2 new avatar options should last me probably 4-6 years

Thanks!

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

“All the stick infractions”

Cool. My flux capacitor is in the shop, so I can’t enjoy them

Don't get whatever joke that was... but he has 117 minors in 371 games and he only plays about 14 minutes of ice time. 1.4 minors per 60. More anecdotal, maybe other fans disagree, but it seems like 90% of them are hooking or slashing calls when he stops moving his feet and reaches. I really want him to succeed, most excited I ever was at a draft when they picked him. But for me, he's right where he deserves to be on the 3rd line based on his regular season production and discipline.

I haven't lost hope on him completely and don't blame him for wanting a change but hard for me to get behind the idea of handing him more icetime based on recent play. I had a lot of hope he was turning the corner after 2018-19 and what an advanced stats monster he was that year, despite the lack of points, but for me it hasn't happened.

I dont think the flames benefit at all from trading him though woth his current value- play out the season and let seattle pick him, or show him where his stock is at if they don't.