[News] All-encompassing Bennett trade discussions thread

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I’d argue Bennett benefited more from playing with Dube (and yes even Lucic) than the other way around.

That’s why Dube has a future with this team and has been rewarded with top 6 minutes. It’s also why Sam hasn’t.

Either that or Tre hates him and has it out for him and so do like 4 nhl coaches, assistants, plus the assistant GM, our meddling owners, KK etc.

Bennet was physical during the playoffs and I had assumed that style of play from him would continue into this season.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

What it means is the Sam Bennett was your best player in a playoff series.

And that does mean something.

Your words, not mine.

Context matters.

I’m the fastest guy when I go running at the track every Thursday, by a country mile too. I literally lap those losers when we race the 800m. But Athletics Canada won’t even look at my application for the Tokyo olympics. I’m the best and they don’t even care, it’s a joke!

Did I mention Thursday is geriatrics day at my local running track?

Still impressed by my track skills?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

@ DM.

Bottom line, whatever you see in him, I don’t see. And clearly multiple nhl coaches and multiple nhl GMs don’t see it either.

I see a guy that played great for like 10 games in his career and average for, what, 400?

He has no defining characteristics as a player. Not a good passer, doesn’t use his line mates well, doesn’t make them better, isn’t particularly tough (except last playoffs which we still lost), almost never fights, isn’t particularly physical (except last playoffs which we still lost), doesn’t kill penalties, isn’t smart, doesn’t have a great shot, doesn’t have good hands, isn’t a PP specialist, he’s not a scorer, he’s not a set up guy, he’s not a checker, he’s not a grinder. He is the literal definition of an nhl plug.

So what are you seeing here? Except defending him against false narratives. Build him up, post some stats, some observations about his skill set, anything! Just don’t repeat that he was gritty once in a playoff series and we need playoff warriors because clearly his amazing performance didn’t help us win.

Sure.

I see a guy who has essentially been in the blender for the majority of his career

He has looked good when given decent linemates for an extended period of time and allowed to develop chemistry
The last 2 post seasons he has been the most impactful and productive player on the team

Even in the blender, he produces at a middle 6 clip on a per ice time basis, so logically, given consistent quality linemates he should be able to do at least that

I see that the team does not have a place for him

I see a guy who must be looking at 169 games in 8 seasons Leivo and 700 K Dom Simon gifted multi game looks with 13 and 23 and wondering how he is still returned to the blender while these guys who have done nothing for Calgary, and did so much for other teams that they are paid less than 1 m on the open market.

It’s pretty much that simple

I don’t think he is some hockey genius. I don’t think he’s something he isn’t

But if an organization rewards me like that, we need to have a serious conversation

There is a career and millions of dollars at stake

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Not a single positive thing about him as a player or his skills. No stats either. Not even any “intangibles” stuff we usually see when a player who lacks talent or skill is being defended against criticism.

Boils down to “needs better line mates”.

You’ve proved a point, I just don’t think it was the one you were hoping for.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Not a single positive thing about him as a player or his skills. No stats either. Not even any “intangibles” stuff we usually see when a player who lacks talent or skill is being defended against criticism.

Boils down to “needs better line mates”.

You’ve proved a point, I just don’t think it was the one you were hoping for.

That was the first part of my reply

Produces with consistent quality linemates. That’s last year’s playoffs. The stats are there.

Has produced as a middle 6 while in the blender. I have previously shared linemate data and production and you can look that up. Bingo has provided the production stats.

I’m not doing re-work because you want to argue. Go and look them back up

Or don’t. I don’t care.

[dino7c]

Even when Bennett is "on" during the playoffs he is chopping wood out there...he doesn't have the skill to be a top six player IMO. He did well on a crash and bang line.

[agulati]

Anything coming back, Flames might want to get someone who might be potentially exempt from the expansion draft.

[Dion]

If Bennet was going to be a top 6 player he would have shown it by now.

How many years and how many opportunties do we have to give this player before it becomes obvious that he is not a top 6 player on this team? The team has been more than fair with Bennet.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Context matters.

I’m the fastest guy when I go running at the track every Thursday, by a country mile too. I literally lap those losers when we race the 800m. But Athletics Canada won’t even look at my application for the Tokyo olympics. I’m the best and they don’t even care, it’s a joke!

Did I mention Thursday is geriatrics day at my local running track?

Still impressed by my track skills?

Yes.

If you are the fastest of all the geriatrics, you are still the fastest.

If you are the best NHL player on your team in a playoff series you are still the best NHL player on your team in that series.

Again, not my words. Just quoting someone else’s.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Dion

If Bennet was going to be a top 6 player he would have shown it by now.

How many years and how many opportunties do we have to give this player before it becomes obvious that he is not a top 6 player on this team? The team has been more than fair with Bennet.

So many times people have dragged out linemate data which just doesn’t bear this opportunity statement out

And I don’t think people are arguing top 6, it was more understanding he could do more as middle 6 with just stable decent linemates

But as long as your goalposts are based on these wrong declarations, you will find no satisfaction

[Matty81]

Yeah I agree with others saying he's not been good enough, for me he's just not very skilled relative to others at the nhl level. And his decision making is poor. With the puck and with all the dumb stick infractions. He hasn't played in a top 6 role because he hasn't earned it.

If he played more recklessly and threw hits day in and out would add value as an energy guy and probably bang in more Gary roberts style goals by going hard to the net more often but he only does it in the playoffs for some reason.

At least the expansion draft protection decision up front is easier the way he is playing.

I wonder if he would even get qualified at 2.5 mil if he puts up 10-15 pts this year. Its just too bad the flames are such a soft team otherwise, thats the hardest part about losing him as lucic seems to be so placid these days. Its basically tkachuk by himself when things turn nasty if bennett leaves.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Yeah I agree with others saying he's not been good enough, for me he's just not very skilled relative to others at the nhl level. And his decision making is poor. With the puck and with all the dumb stick infractions. He hasn't played in a top 6 role because he hasn't earned it.

If he played more recklessly and threw hits day in and out would add value as an energy guy and probably bang in more Gary roberts style goals by going hard to the net more often but he only does it in the playoffs for some reason.

At least the expansion draft protection decision up front is easier the way he is playing.

I wonder if he would even get qualified at 2.5 mil if he puts up 10-15 pts this year. Its just too bad the flames are such a soft team otherwise, thats the hardest part about losing him as lucic seems to be so placid these days. Its basically tkachuk by himself when things turn nasty if bennett leaves.

“All the stick infractions”

Cool. My flux capacitor is in the shop, so I can’t enjoy them

[Dion]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

So many times people have dragged out linemate data which just doesn’t bear this opportunity statement out

And I don’t think people are arguing top 6, it was more understanding he could do more as middle 6 with just stable decent linemates

But as long as your goalposts are based on these wrong declarations, you will find no satisfaction

His best assests are his physical play, something we don't see much of during the regular season. Go out and hit players and create open spaces and chances for your linemates.

As for stable linemates, we're just into a new season with a bunch of new players trying to fit in. Maybe Bennet should be more patient until things work themselves out. Then again, just ask to be traded.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Dion

His best assests are his physical play, something we don't see much of during the regular season. Go out and hit players and create open spaces and chances for your linemates.

As for stable linemates, we're just into a new season with a bunch of new players trying to fit in. Maybe Bennet should be more patient until things work themselves out. Then again, just ask to be traded.

Look, he didn’t come out and demand a trade. Just think about it

He may very well have seen newly signed fringe NHLers making around minimum wage gifted chances he thought he earned in the playoffs

Maybe the Flames earned questions from Bennett as to where they see things going

Bennett is concerned that if his work for the team in the playoffs earned him no good will, where do things stand? Does he have a role and future here?

I think it’s reasonable to say that if the team doesn’t want to give him a role in line with what he has given them, he is open to exploring teams who may

Friedman called his agent and got a response he ran with

That’s where we are.

Bennett isn’t wrong here

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I don't think he gets dealt within the division. I think the way to go is to send him to a US team for their own version of a reclamation project. I have no specific suggestions.

It would be pretty cool if they managed to get a Getzlaf rental out of it somehow.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

So many times people have dragged out linemate data which just doesn’t bear this opportunity statement out

And I don’t think people are arguing top 6, it was more understanding he could do more as middle 6 with just stable decent linemates

But as long as your goalposts are based on these wrong declarations, you will find no satisfaction

Did you see Bennet on the PP tonight with Monahan & Gaudreau?

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Sam Bennett has had 371 nhl regular season games
That’s 371 opportunities.
He’s had plenty of chances to earn more and move up the lineup

He’s also looked the exact same under four different coaches.

Four different NHL coaches.

He is what he is. This org has been super patient with him and given him every opportunity to be better. It’s just not in the cards

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Did you see Bennet on the PP tonight with Monahan & Gaudreau?

I saw Bennett on the PK

Maybe his deployment changed because he asked for an expanded role.

Makes sense, no?

[neo45]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I saw Bennett on the PK

Seems redundant to even try him on the PK considering he is usually the reason they are out there in the first place

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Look, he didn’t come out and demand a trade. Just think about it

He may very well have seen newly signed fringe NHLers making around minimum wage gifted chances he thought he earned in the playoffs

Maybe the Flames earned questions from Bennett as to where they see things going

Bennett is concerned that if his work for the team in the playoffs earned him no good will, where do things stand? Does he have a role and future here?

I think it’s reasonable to say that if the team doesn’t want to give him a role in line with what he has given them, he is open to exploring teams who may

Friedman called his agent and got a response he ran with

That’s where we are.

Bennett isn’t wrong here

I'm honestly baffled anyone could be so deep in Bennetts camp at this point. Why are you as strong of a booster for Sam as you are?

Are you related to him or are you a personal friend?

Those are the only reasons I can imagine anyone actually caring if he stays or leaves. And no I won't give a rats ass about how good he plays for 6 ish playoff games every year when he consistently fails to make his linemates better for 82 games