[Rumour] DEL star David Wolf to join the Flames this summer?

[moon]

Originally Posted by DOOM

Wolf is 24/25 and still has room to improve, unlike the guys you listed above.

I'm sure Burke thinks Wolf has NHL potential, because I don't he would bring him over from Germany to just play in the AHL, although he may start there next year.

Also Burke likely cant comment on Wolf until the signing becomes official.

I never said Wolf couldn't improve I said he would be playing in the AHL. I don't think he has shown NHL upside based on his numbers but that could change if he comes here and gets better coaching, doubtful but possible.

Who cares if those guys are going to improve or not if we are bringing them into the NHL to play next year?

Burke hasn't even signed him yet so specualting on his opinion on his NHL upside seems a little premature.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Any 6'0 200+lb agitator/enforcer hybrids with a bit of a scoring touch hitting UFA this year? Because if there is, I'm pretty sure Wolf would come cheaper.

If you want an agitator, Komarov would be perfect for the Flames and he's already proven that he can play in the NHL. He'd be great with Bouma. I don't think Flames should sign anyone based on who comes cheapest.

I suppose Toronto is his most likely destination but maybe Burke could try to persuade him.

NHLe numbers are meaningless, by the way.

[saXon]

From my Hamburg source on the Flames.com message boards:

local news reporting today:

http://www.mopo.de/f...2,26885996.html
http://www.bild.de/s...22724.bild.html

it's actually no use to translate because they're all talking about David going to the Flames. (where ever they got this information from because Freezers themselves still not confirming)

With a little rough translation (thanks google):

The fact that he goes to the NHL (Calgary Flames) , Wolf can not say ...
"It was an honor to have played for you," the fighter said, 'nem lump in my throat.
"You will always remain in my heart. If I was to return to Germany , Hamburg is my first address. "
In fact, his contract is based in Hamburg ( 2018 ) only !
Calgary pays the prescribed 240 000 Euros (173 400 Euros ) compensation.

Edit: he also pointed out that the author used Euros twice, both for 240,000 and for 173,400. The author most likely meant $240,000 USD.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by sworkhard

On average, but the problem with NHLe is that the standard deviation is huge.

Yes I know, I was simply calculating the number

[nik-]

So we're actually paying a transfer fee for some goon?

wtf

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by moon

In that case lets get Reinprecht and NHLe 75 points over here asap.

In what case are you referring to?

You said his numbers in the DEL were crap. I calculated his NHLE. You seem to have attached a conclusion to my calculation. Your desire to make an extreme point, regardless of facts, counter-arguments, or reason, is always entertaining.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

In what case are you referring to?

You said his numbers in the DEL were crap. I calculated his NHLE. You seem to have attached a conclusion to my calculation. Your desire to make an extreme point, regardless of facts, counter-arguments, or reason, is always entertaining.

What?

I am saying if NHLe numbers are valid for the DEL then lets get a guy like Reinprecht over here. Seems pretty straightforward.

It isn't an extreme point it is pretty basic and easy to follow.

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by moon

What?

I am saying if NHLe numbers are valid for the DEL then lets get a guy like Reinprecht over here. Seems pretty straightforward.

It isn't an extreme point it is pretty basic and easy to follow.

Lets trade Poirier and Klimchuk for Mitch Holmberg, he had more point then both of them this year in the CHL.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'm not familiar with NHLe as a stat.

40/52 = 0.77PPG x 82 = 63 points over 82 games.

The stats arent really comparable because the two leagues arent really comparable.

I look at Wolf as a cheap/free asset. If he doesnt work out then nothing ventured, nothing gained. Its not like David Wolf is going to be the poor contract that put the Flames against the cap that cost them the cup.

Much ado about nothing. He either works out and we gain something for nothing but cash or he doesnt and he moves on.

It factors different leagues. The DEL number is 0.52

So you take your numbers: 63 points / 82 games and multiply by the DEL equivalent of 0.52

63 x .52 = 32.8

As someone mentioned, it's an average. With a pretty wide variance.

The question would be, can he, as a 24 year old, make the jump and apply his game in the NHL? Based on others who have made the jump from the DEL, the NHLE suggests it isn't as huge of a jump as moon makes it out to be.

Also, for a bottom 6 guy, 32 points is way more than what would be necessary to make him useful. 30 points would make him a solid 3rd liner (Monahan had 34 and Stajan had 33 this year). 20 points would be a great total for a 4th liner (Bouma had 15)

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by moon

What?

I am saying if NHLe numbers are valid for the DEL then lets get a guy like Reinprecht over here. Seems pretty straightforward.

It isn't an extreme point it is pretty basic and easy to follow.

Are you arguing that NHLE numbers for the DEL aren't valid?

Where do you think they come from? They are what they are and they are valid, whether you choose to accept that or not.

Just because there are players that can't make the jump, doesn't mean the numbers aren't valid.

Kolanos would be an example from the AHL. But just because he can't make the jump to the NHL doesn't mean that the rest of the AHLers can't either

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

If you want an agitator, Komarov would be perfect for the Flames and he's already proven that he can play in the NHL. He'd be great with Bouma. I don't think Flames should sign anyone based on who comes cheapest.

I suppose Toronto is his most likely destination but maybe Burke could try to persuade him.

NHLe numbers are meaningless, by the way.

Why?

Are you saying in this case? Or always?

[strombad]

Good thing there are always white knights riding into to every potential positive for the Flames, ready to make poops over everyone's optimism to stop CP from just being too darn OK with things.

"David Wolf! Ha! He will probably not be that good!"

Phew, glad we got THAT out of the way. Nothing to see here folks. No need to speculate on any positive influence unknown commodities may have any further!

[moon]

Originally Posted by DOOM

Lets trade Poirier and Klimchuk for Mitch Holmberg, he had more point then both of them this year in the CHL.

If you believe solely in NHLe or looking solely at stats i guess that would be a good move for you.

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by moon

If you believe solely in NHLe or looking solely at stats i guess that would be a good move for you.

You're the one solely looking at stats. You've never watched Wolf play.

[moon]

Originally Posted by strombad

Good thing there are always white knights riding into to every potential positive for the Flames, ready to make poops over everyone's optimism to stop CP from just being too darn OK with things.

"David Wolf! Ha! He will probably not be that good!"

Phew, glad we got THAT out of the way. Nothing to see here folks. No need to speculate on any positive influence unknown commodities may have any further!

Who is doing that?

And what potential positive for the Flame?

Or is saying a guy coming from the DEL is going to play in the AHL now considering "pooping on anything positive for the Flames"

The guy isn't even on the Flames and yet if you don't think he is awesome it means you pooping on the Flames?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by strombad

Good thing there are always white knights riding into to every potential positive for the Flames, ready to make poops over everyone's optimism to stop CP from just being too darn OK with things.

"David Wolf! Ha! He will probably not be that good!"

Phew, glad we got THAT out of the way. Nothing to see here folks. No need to speculate on any positive influence unknown commodities may have any further!

I think a lot of people don't see the need to import a tough guy from Europe. How many plugs who are tough do we need?

[Ped]

Originally Posted by DOOM

You're the one solely looking at stats. You've never watched Wolf play.

How many posters that think Wolf can contribute have actually watched him play?

[moon]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Are you arguing that NHLE numbers for the DEL aren't valid?

Where do you think they come from? They are what they are and they are valid, whether you choose to accept that or not.

Just because there are players that can't make the jump, doesn't mean the numbers aren't valid.

Kolanos would be an example from the AHL. But just because he can't make the jump to the NHL doesn't mean that the rest of the AHLers can't either

I think NHLe is a pretty weak stat to begin with.

When it involves a league like the DEL in which there is so few guys coming over then I think it is even tougher to make a comparison for.

[moon]

Originally Posted by DOOM

You're the one solely looking at stats. You've never watched Wolf play.

I am looking at stats and age and comparing them to what other guys in the league, many who have played in the NHL are doing.

In your fantasy situation you made up in which I never said or even came close to alluding to I would compare what those guys did and see that age played a huge role.

Llikewise if Wolf was doing this as an 18 year old it would have a lot more weight to it.

So no it is not only stats but the context that those stats have in relation to his likely success at the NHL level.

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by Ped

How many posters that think Wolf can contribute have actually watched him play?

Not many, however obviously Flames management likes something they see with him as a player and I see no reason to limit or overrate his potential right now without having seen him play.

He's a free asset, all he would take up is 1 of 50 contract spots.