[Rumour] DEL star David Wolf to join the Flames this summer?

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by moon

Based on his rather pedetrian numbers in a 3rd rate league I think it would be the guys in the farm teams division that should be glad.

I understand he would be brought in not for his points but he certainly doesn't seem to bring much to the table at all and surely there is going to be someone who can be a pest and play hockey, at least play hockey better than this guy.

Yea, you've probably watched him tons of times.

[moon]

Originally Posted by DOOM

Yea, you've probably watched him tons of times.

How many times do you need to see a guy who can only score 40 points in the German Elite league to know that he doesn't have the skill to contribute at the NHL level?

What I am missing? Is it the bad luck that stops him from being up their with league leaders Adam Courchaine, Steve Reinprecht and Kevin Clark? The super skill he shows only to be stoned by stud goalies Tomas Duba, Dennis Endras and Tyler Weimann? Or is it the endless amount of guys coming over from the DEL and having a ton of success at the NHL level?

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by moon

How many times do you need to see a guy who can only score 40 points in the German Elite league to know that he doesn't have the skill to contribute at the NHL level?

What I am missing? Is it the bad luck that stops him from being up their with league leaders Adam Courchaine, Steve Reinprecht and Kevin Clark? The super skill he shows only to be stoned by stud goalies Tomas Duba, Dennis Endras and Tyler Weimann? Or is it the endless amount of guys coming over from the DEL and having a ton of success at the NHL level?

Look at what Michael Raffl did with the Flyers this year and then look at the league he played in last year.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by DOOM

Yea, you've probably watched him tons of times.

Yeah, I'd just like to see him get a look see. No harm in that.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by moon

How many times do you need to see a guy who can only score 40 points in the German Elite league to know that he doesn't have the skill to contribute at the NHL level?

What I am missing? Is it the bad luck that stops him from being up their with league leaders Adam Courchaine, Steve Reinprecht and Kevin Clark? The super skill he shows only to be stoned by stud goalies Tomas Duba, Dennis Endras and Tyler Weimann? Or is it the endless amount of guys coming over from the DEL and having a ton of success at the NHL level?

Well he won't be competing for a skill spot.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by moon

Based on his rather pedetrian numbers in a 3rd rate league I think it would be the guys in the farm teams division that should be glad.

I understand he would be brought in not for his points but he certainly doesn't seem to bring much to the table at all and surely there is going to be someone who can be a pest and play hockey, at least play hockey better than this guy.

Oh, I think theres more to it than that. This guy is considered one of the best and a very influential player in the DEL. I think his team game and attitude have a lot to do with his contract with Calgary.

Hes not just another goon coming in to punch faces, but he can and will punch faces if he has to. Its a very big part of the Flames' identity under Burke, being able to play and punch faces.

Originally Posted by moon

How many times do you need to see a guy who can only score 40 points in the German Elite league to know that he doesn't have the skill to contribute at the NHL level?

What I am missing? Is it the bad luck that stops him from being up their with league leaders Adam Courchaine, Steve Reinprecht and Kevin Clark? The super skill he shows only to be stoned by stud goalies Tomas Duba, Dennis Endras and Tyler Weimann? Or is it the endless amount of guys coming over from the DEL and having a ton of success at the NHL level?

I love your expertise at statistical analysis. Everyone else should just quit and go home as you've clearly got this.

You're right, 40 points in the DEL is pathetic. How many games do they play again? 82? No, thats right, they only play 52.

His point totals couldnt have anything to do with the style his team plays or the quality of his linemates and even if it didnt, you're right, there is absolutely zero possibility that the guy can grow, learn or improve in any manner whatsoever. He simply is what he is and you take him at that.

A complete waste of assets to acquire him. Good thing the Flames didnt spend any.

[moon]

Originally Posted by DOOM

Look at what Michael Raffl did with the Flyers this year and then look at the league he played in last year.

Michael Raffl was top ten in scoring in those leagues when he played and he had a pretty meh to not great year.

If anything it further shows that these guys coming over don't offer much at all and this is a guy who had more offensive success.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Locke

Oh, I think theres more to it than that. This guy is considered one of the best and a very influential player in the DEL. I think his team game and attitude have a lot to do with his contract with Calgary.

Hes not just another goon coming in to punch faces, but he can and will punch faces if he has to. Its a very big part of the Flames' identity under Burke, being able to play and punch faces.

There are plenty of guys that can pinch people in the face and play the game of hockey as well. These guys are far from a rare thing and one of the easiest things to find in the game. Especially now that the HW are basically out of the game and you can be 215 lbs and still be an effective enforcer in the league.

I love your expertise at statistical analysis. Everyone else should just quit and go home as you've clearly got this.

You're right, 40 points in the DEL is pathetic. How many games do they play again? 82? No, thats right, they only play 52.

His point totals couldnt have anything to do with the style his team plays or the quality of his linemates and even if it didnt, you're right, there is absolutely zero possibility that the guy can grow, learn or improve in any manner whatsoever. He simply is what he is and you take him at that.

A complete waste of assets to acquire him. Good thing the Flames didnt spend any.

Who said it was a waste of time?

I have no problem with the signing if they do it I just don't expect this guy to do anything at the NHL level and think his impact will be with the AHL team.

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by moon

Michael Raffl was top ten in scoring in those leagues when he played and he had a pretty meh to not great year.

If anything it further shows that these guys coming over don't offer much at all and this is a guy who had more offensive success.

Flyers fan have loved what Raffl has brought in a bottom 6 role. He wasn't brought in to put up points.

Guys like Raffl/Wolf are not being brought over to put up offense.

[moon]

Originally Posted by DOOM

Flyers fan have loved what Raffl has brought in a bottom 6 role. He wasn't brought in to put up points.

Guys like Raffl/Wolf are not being brought over to put up offense.

Offensive ability in lesser leagues usually show hockey skill for guys moving into the NHL. That is because even the plugs in the NHL are skilled hockey players.

You rarely see guys have success in the NHL with poor offensive in lesser/lower leagues. Wolf has pretty weak numbers even for the DEL and that means it is unlikely that he has the skill to be successful at the NHL role even in a bottom 6 role. Face punchers/agitators (especially good ones) need to be able to make passes, clear the zone and read the play.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by moon

There are plenty of guys that can pinch people in the face and play the game of hockey as well. These guys are far from a rare thing and one of the easiest things to find in the game. Especially now that the HW are basically out of the game and you can be 215 lbs and still be an effective enforcer in the league.

Any 6'0 200+lb agitator/enforcer hybrids with a bit of a scoring touch hitting UFA this year? Because if there is, I'm pretty sure Wolf would come cheaper.

[saXon]

Originally Posted by gargamel

If McGrattan is on a line with 2 Germans, I really hope he doesn't do this salute again.

Why? He has every "reich" to...

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by moon

Offensive ability in lesser leagues usually show hockey skill for guys moving into the NHL. That is because even the plugs in the NHL are skilled hockey players.

You rarely see guys have success in the NHL with poor offensive in lesser/lower leagues. Wolf has pretty weak numbers even for the DEL and that means it is unlikely that he has the skill to be successful at the NHL role even in a bottom 6 role. Face punchers/agitators (especially good ones) need to be able to make passes, clear the zone and read the play.

Are you basing his skills of stat reading? How many times have you personally watched him play?

Id trust Burke's opinion on the matter.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Locke

Oh, I think theres more to it than that. This guy is considered one of the best and a very influential player in the DEL. I think his team game and attitude have a lot to do with his contract with Calgary.

Hes not just another goon coming in to punch faces, but he can and will punch faces if he has to. Its a very big part of the Flames' identity under Burke, being able to play and punch faces.



I love your expertise at statistical analysis. Everyone else should just quit and go home as you've clearly got this.

You're right, 40 points in the DEL is pathetic. How many games do they play again? 82? No, thats right, they only play 52.

His point totals couldnt have anything to do with the style his team plays or the quality of his linemates and even if it didnt, you're right, there is absolutely zero possibility that the guy can grow, learn or improve in any manner whatsoever. He simply is what he is and you take him at that.

A complete waste of assets to acquire him. Good thing the Flames didnt spend any.

The NHLE for the DEL is .52

So 40 pts in 52 games equates to 32 pts in the NHL right?

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The NHLE for the DEL is .52

So 40 pts in 52 games equates to 32 pts in the NHL right?

On average, but the problem with NHLe is that the standard deviation is huge.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Any 6'0 200+lb agitator/enforcer hybrids with a bit of a scoring touch hitting UFA this year? Because if there is, I'm pretty sure Wolf would come cheaper.

I am sure there are a bunch of guys in the AHL that fit the bill but will have to check other than that in the NHL guys that would be pretty cheap:

Michael Rupp
Kris Newbury
Colin Fraser
Zenon Konopka
Kris Barch
Mike Brown
Dan Carcillo
Cody Mccormick
Troy Bodie
Shawn Thornton

Originally Posted by DOOM

Are you basing his skills of stat reading? How many times have you personally watched him play?

Id trust Burke's opinion on the matter.

Has Burke said this guy is coming over to play in the NHL?

[moon]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The NHLE for the DEL is .52

So 40 pts in 52 games equates to 32 pts in the NHL right?

In that case lets get Reinprecht and NHLe 75 points over here asap.

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by moon

I am sure there are a bunch of guys in the AHL that fit the bill but will have to check other than that in the NHL guys that would be pretty cheap:

Michael Rupp
Kris Newbury
Colin Fraser
Zenon Konopka
Kris Barch
Mike Brown
Dan Carcillo
Cody Mccormick
Troy Bodie
Shawn Thornton




Has Burke said this guy is coming over to play in the NHL?

Wolf is 24/25 and still has room to improve, unlike the guys you listed above.

I'm sure Burke thinks Wolf has NHL potential, because I don't he would bring him over from Germany to just play in the AHL, although he may start there next year.

Also Burke likely cant comment on Wolf until the signing becomes official.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The NHLE for the DEL is .52

So 40 pts in 52 games equates to 32 pts in the NHL right?

I'm not familiar with NHLe as a stat.

40/52 = 0.77PPG x 82 = 63 points over 82 games.

The stats arent really comparable because the two leagues arent really comparable.

I look at Wolf as a cheap/free asset. If he doesnt work out then nothing ventured, nothing gained. Its not like David Wolf is going to be the poor contract that put the Flames against the cap that cost them the cup.

Much ado about nothing. He either works out and we gain something for nothing but cash or he doesnt and he moves on.

[Vulcan]

Sounds like he's the best enforcer outside of the NHL.