[Trade] Elias Lindholm + Noah Hanifin to Flames for D. Hamilton, Micheal Ferland, & Adam Fox

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by David Struch

The "New" Core

Mark Giordano
Matthew Tkachuk
Johnny Gaudreau
Sean Monahan
Noah Hanifin
Elias Lindholm
Juuso Välimäki
Mikael Backlund
James Neal
Sam Bennett
Rasmus Andersson

James Neal is not part of the core.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

James Neal is not part of the core.

He is signed for 5 years at big money I would think he is part of the core.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

James Neal is not part of the core.

He is part of the core with that 5 Year contract.

[TheScorpion]

Yeah, he's the third-highest-paid forward on this team. Damn straight he's part of the core.

[Poe969]

The "core" doesn't have to be all young guys. Go is the vet on D and Neal is the forward vet.

[BigErnSalute_16]

I believe the "core" refers to both people who will be here for a long time and are integral to the success of this team now and in the future. James Neal is not part of the core just because he is signed for five years.

Neal is as much of the core as Brodie and Frolik are imo, if we add Neal to the core then we have to add those two also.

But other than that, that is one good looking core

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by BigErnSalute_16

I believe the "core" refers to both people who will be here for a long time and are integral to the success of this team now and in the future. James Neal is not part of the core just because he is signed for five years.

Neal is as much of the core as Brodie and Frolik are imo, if we add Neal to the core then we have to add those two also.

But other than that, that is one good looking core

Brodie and Frolik were part of the core 2-3 years ago but with less than 2 years on their deals remaining I would say they are on the outside looking in. Neal is paid top dollar and has 4 years left after this season. He was signed to be a core piece for at least the first couple years of that deal

[dammage79]

Better debate should be. Who is on the expansion protection list?

1. Gaudreau
2. Monahan
3. Tkachuk
4. Lindholm
5. Backlund
6. Neal
7. Dube ? Bennett?

Defense
1.Hanifin
2.Andersson
3.Valimaki
4.Gio? Hamonic? Brodie?

Goalie?????????

[Yoho]

Neal should not be on the protected list and may eventually be a compliance buy out post lock out.

[GranteedEV]

Tre picked Brodie over Hamilton to be on our top pair, which is presently dynamite. He has 9 points in 15 playoff games and has arguably been our best player in both those playoffs. He will be only 30 years old when his deal ends, and in Dman terms this may mean he will be entering his prime not unlike Giordano. If / When Giordano truly declines he will be looked upon as the elder statesman of our blue line.

He is a core piece. One statistically forgettable year mostly spent dragging around the corpse of Dennis Wideman and one inconsistent off-year playing again on the wrong side of the ice and with the wrong partner doesn't change that. I fully expect a Valimaki-Brodie pair someday.

[browna]

Key block off the skate by Hanifin last night in the dying minutes.

I think it’s very very safe to say the Flames are nowhere near this dynamic with Hamilton and Ferland in the lineup, and CP fretting a Fox signing.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Better debate should be. Who is on the expansion protection list?

1. Gaudreau
2. Monahan
3. Tkachuk
4. Lindholm
5. Backlund
6. Neal
7. Dube ? Bennett?

Defense
1.Hanifin
2.Andersson
3.Valimaki
4.Gio? Hamonic? Brodie?

Goalie?????????

Pretty sure Dube and Valimaki dont need to be protected if the exp. draft is summer of 2020.

Also last time around only 3 D could be protected if using the 7F/3D split.

[BigErnSalute_16]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Brodie and Frolik were part of the core 2-3 years ago but with less than 2 years on their deals remaining, I would say they are on the outside looking in. Neal is paid top dollar and has 4 years left after this season. He was signed to be a core piece for at least the first couple years of that deal

I'm not saying they're part of the core, I am saying they are as much part of the core as Neal, who isn't really part of the core. I'm pretty sure everyone in the organization would see Neal as expendable. Good addition that added great depth to the organization but he isn't a core player just because he signed for five years.

Jankowski, Dube and Mangiapane are more than likely going to be here longer than Neal but nobody is throwing them into the list of core players.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by browna

Key block off the skate by Hanifin last night in the dying minutes.

I think it’s very very safe to say the Flames are nowhere near this dynamic with Hamilton and Ferland in the lineup, and CP fretting a Fox signing.

Fox is kind of the real wild card here. Carolina received fine players in Ferland and Hamilton. I personally didn't like Hamilton's complete game, but there is no denying that he is a really good player in some respects. Flames received 2 nice pieces that are signed for longer at reasonable prices who are young and fit right in. If I consider contract status and stability, I like this trade for us (although Carolina did fine too). But it allowed us to set the clock back a little as Jiri said.

If Carolina signs Fox and he becomes a star, it could be a huge win for them. But it seems likely that Fox was not going to sign with the Flames anyway, so it was nothing lost for us. Or if Carolina trades his rights for something decent, it could work to their advantage too.

Someone also pointed out that Hanifin is three months younger than Andersson. That just blows my mind considering that Hanifin will be closing in on 300 NHL games this season (knocks on wood) and Andersson is a prospect just graduating to rookie.

Honestly, both GMs deserve a pat on the back for this one. The trade seems a little more risky for Carolina in the long run, but they got great wildcard prospect.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Pretty sure Dube and Valimaki dont need to be protected if the exp. draft is summer of 2020.

Also last time around only 3 D could be protected if using the 7F/3D split.

If the rules are the same as Vegas had yes they do. only 1st and 2nd year players would be exempt. both will have completed 2 years.

[Otto-matic]

IMO the core of the team is

1.Mony
2.Johnny
3.Chucky
4.Backs
5.Gio

Secondary Core Players

1.Neal
2.Lindholm (Still hasn't worked his way into the core of the team yet)
3.Hammer

[Waldo]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

If the rules are the same as Vegas had yes they do. only 1st and 2nd year players would be exempt. both will have completed 2 years.

Since the expansion draft happens prior to July 1st, Valimaki would still be in his second year and would not be required to be protected. Even though the season is over they are still under the 2nd year of contract. This is the way it was for the vegas expansion.

We could be positioned quite well for the expansion draft once again thanks to the way trie does business, unless the expansion gets pushed back a year due to fears of a lock out, that would cause us to have to protect Valimaki and throw a wedge in everything

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

If the rules are the same as Vegas had yes they do. only 1st and 2nd year players would be exempt. both will have completed 2 years.

Nope.This is why Oilers didnt have to protect Mcdavid. They will still be 2nd year pro players before July 1st 2020.

[Moneyhands23]

At the end of the day...good trade 4 the flames.


If I'm wrong the flames suck and the team needs to rebuild.


If that's the case



F U cause U suck.

Monahan

Just sayn

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

At the end of the day...good trade 4 the flames.


If I'm wrong the flames suck and the team needs to rebuild.


If that's the case



F U cause U suck.

Monahan

Just sayn

Might be time to mix in a water there, Money