12-30-2024, 02:49 PM
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Originally Posted by curves2000
Harris wasn't exciting. The Democrats didn't run an exciting campaign. There was way too much emphasis on abortion, Trump is bad for democracy, he is crazy and scary. Although I tend to agree on the above points, how many times are you going to say it? A 100, a 1000, a million? Some people were kind of excited at the start about getting rid of Biden who was clearly mentally and physically done as President. She had the goodwill and the momentum at the start but it quickly fizzled.
Harris and the Democrats played the game not to loose and they lost badly. I mean she was being handled away from a lot of mainstream media outlets for fear of bad exposure. Out of the 100 day campaign, she may have avoided press conferences, interviews and such 40-50% of the time.
I said it probably 2 years ago, the Democrats need to stop the nonsense and the BS. Going on and on and on about how bad Trump was but telling us all that Biden was the best person for the job. Nobody was buying that. We literally went from reports about Biden being sharper than a tact, a level of vitality and energy that is the envy of the White House to an official report to Governors that the key forward for Biden (post debate) was more nap, less work at night, earlier bedtimes and nothing scheduled past 8 pm. That was not a joke, this was not the schedule of a toddler. This was an official statement from the head of the largest, most powerful country the world has ever known.
https://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchel...t-214285381851 (4 min)
Trump is and was beyond beatable. Coming up with the strategy that the Democrats keep coming with is beyond pathetic. Focus on people, focus on jobs, focus on the little guy
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Your posts are weird. I am trying to figure out if you are an expert on US Politics.
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12-30-2024, 02:59 PM
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#3142
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by BowRiverBruinsRule
Your posts are weird. I am trying to figure out if you are an expert on US Politics.
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Weird, yes at times. Foreign policy expert? No.
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12-30-2024, 03:43 PM
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#3143
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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
A lot of people.
Donald did what Donald does best, he spoke to the extremists about things they hate the most and won.
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The podcast tour may have won him the election.
He made himself visible to a contingent of young voters that probably had no opinion prior to that and probably paid little attention to the debate.
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12-30-2024, 05:04 PM
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#3144
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Lifetime Suspension
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Given the out come of the 2020 Democratic primary she wasn't particular popular in her own party.
She was apppointed, not her fault but not a good look.
She was in charge of the border - that was a key election issue
So many reasons that might sway voters so many
but you know RACISM AND MISOGYNY!!!!
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12-30-2024, 05:30 PM
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#3145
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The new goggles also do nothing.
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The fact that she wasn't in charge of the border but lies convinced MAGA that she was is a nice little microcosm of US politics.
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12-30-2024, 05:30 PM
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#3146
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Yeah, definitely not enough focus on some critical issues that held a lot of sway.
Not enough challenging Trump on his lies about tariffs and the economic performance since his term.
She fought him with knowledge and truth in the debate (rather effectively), then she resorted to name calling in the final weeks which every one in Trump's camp was already used to and emboldened by because they could pump the victim narrative in response.
Any one who had issues with racism, child care and inclusiveness were already firmly in her camp, so continuing to plug away at those topics was doing nothing for her. She needed to work on the rest of the voter base by literally just debunking his #### around border security and economy.
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12-30-2024, 05:31 PM
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#3147
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by MelBridgeman
Given the out come of the 2020 Democratic primary she wasn't particular popular in her own party.
She was apppointed, not her fault but not a good look.
She was in charge of the border - that was a key election issue
So many reasons that might sway voters so many
but you know RACISM AND MISOGYNY!!!!
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The Dems should have properly primaried Biden at the beginning. By the time Biden was convinced to step down, Harris was probably the best available candidate. There were probably better candidates that didn't want to enter the race late and deal with the baggage.
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12-30-2024, 05:32 PM
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#3148
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Daily reminder that "mandate" Trump got less than 50% of the vote and millions less than Biden last time. Did he have a mandate?
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12-30-2024, 05:40 PM
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#3149
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MelBridgeman
Given the out come of the 2020 Democratic primary she wasn't particular popular in her own party.
She was apppointed, not her fault but not a good look.
She was in charge of the border - that was a key election issue
So many reasons that might sway voters so many
but you know RACISM AND MISOGYNY!!!!
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Honestly this is really the best summary I've seen here yet .
If you cant get your own partys supporters to vote for her, why would you expect the American public at large? She was deeply unpopular in the 2020 primary and dropped out early.
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12-30-2024, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by photon
The fact that she wasn't in charge of the border but lies convinced MAGA that she was is a nice little microcosm of US politics.
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What is it the term “in charge”? To suggest the Kamala wasn’t tasked with the responsibility to get to the root causes of the border crisis is the actual lie here.
Nitpicking on the term used to describe her role is just partisan apologistic
She was a big player in terms of diplomacy and policy..
The perception is that policy failed, unfair or not… that’s the perception
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12-30-2024, 06:13 PM
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NOT breaking news
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Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by dino7c
Daily reminder that "mandate" Trump got less than 50% of the vote and millions less than Biden last time. Did he have a mandate?
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Why do we care about the popular vote at all?
That's like asking if Trudeau has a mandate.
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12-30-2024, 06:14 PM
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NOT breaking news
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Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent
Yeah, definitely not enough focus on some critical issues that held a lot of sway.
Not enough challenging Trump on his lies about tariffs and the economic performance since his term.
She fought him with knowledge and truth in the debate (rather effectively), then she resorted to name calling in the final weeks which every one in Trump's camp was already used to and emboldened by because they could pump the victim narrative in response.
Any one who had issues with racism, child care and inclusiveness were already firmly in her camp, so continuing to plug away at those topics was doing nothing for her. She needed to work on the rest of the voter base by literally just debunking his #### around border security and economy.
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She pretty much abandoned white men period and they showed up.
If an alien dropped in on earth and watched the DNC, they would think America was 75% non-white
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12-30-2024, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by White Out 403
If you cant get your own partys supporters to vote for her, why would you expect the American public at large? She was deeply unpopular in the 2020 primary and dropped out early.
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It's not a good point at all. Joe Biden was deeply unpopular in his previous presidential run as well, finishing 5th (4%) in the Iowa Caucus behind Bill Richardson (who?).
Kamela Harris lost the election, the campaign did plenty wrong, but "deeply unpopular before!" doesn't really matter. Despite all the misgivings Harris finished with 2.3 million less votes than Trump. If the establishment had actually dumped Biden early and gave her, or anyone, a full campaign, they probably would've won.
The old established guard of the DNC are ruining the party to the future. The fact that an 84(!!!!) year old was able to block AOC's bid on the House Oversight Committee shows what a joke these old farts are. Ocasio-Cortez should be the future of the party and I think she could be president some day, but the old Democrats would rather keep the status quo until they die than work for the future.
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12-30-2024, 06:31 PM
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#3154
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Originally Posted by BigThief
It's not a good point at all. Joe Biden was deeply unpopular in his previous presidential run as well, finishing 5th (4%) in the Iowa Caucus behind Bill Richardson (who?).
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Biden ran in an open primary and won.
Harris got her clock cleaned and had to tuck tail and disappear from the 2020 primary. Then she was picked for VP, and was the most unpopular VP in modern history. She was then handed the democratic nomination by the elite of the party.
Great comparison.
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12-30-2024, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by White Out 403
Biden ran in an open primary and won.
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Hey simpleton, I was speaking before winning.
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Harris got her clock cleaned and had to tuck tail and disappear from the 2020 primary. Then she was picked for VP, and was the most unpopular VP in modern history. She was then handed the democratic nomination by the elite of the party.
Great comparison
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Clock cleaned like Biden did in 2008.
Yes I agree, the establishment is the problem. Given a full campaign Harris or another capable candidate would've won. Instead they stuck with whatever Joe Biden was.
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12-30-2024, 06:45 PM
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#3156
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Originally Posted by BigThief
Hey simpleton..
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lol. calm down fella. its ok to be wrong.
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Originally Posted by BigThief
Yes I agree, the establishment is the problem. Given a full campaign Harris or another capable candidate would've won. Instead they stuck with whatever Joe Biden was.
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This is literally backwards. She had great polling and lots of excitement after the Biden drop out. The more voters got to know her and remember how unlikable and terrible she was, that excitement plummeted. If the election was a month or month and a half earlier she may have won.
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12-30-2024, 06:54 PM
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Because campaigns don't have eps and flows.
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12-30-2024, 06:54 PM
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#3158
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Originally Posted by BigThief
Because campaigns don't have eps and flows.
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Occam's razor.
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12-30-2024, 07:04 PM
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First Line Centre
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simpleton.
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12-30-2024, 09:58 PM
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#3160
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by MelBridgeman
Given the out come of the 2020 Democratic primary she wasn't particular popular in her own party.
She was apppointed, not her fault but not a good look.
She was in charge of the border - that was a key election issue
So many reasons that might sway voters so many
but you know RACISM AND MISOGYNY!!!!
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Reality is it’s not a single thing, and for some voters it’s multiple things. Racism and misogyny were probably a factor for a small number of voters. And misogyny isn’t even the word, but I do think there are people out there not comfortable voting for a woman.
But on top of that it was the economy, the border, identity politics which they had zero answer for( they should’ve been able to crush people on the trans issue and how small it is but they just ran from it), israel, the assasination attempts, plus the trump base is literally unshakeable.
She also ran against basically bought and paid for media in fox and twitter.
It all adds up.
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