2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Gaudreau
Monahan
Bennett
Brodie
Hamilton
Giordano

I would be beyond shocked if BT traded any of the above players.

One of these is not like the other. If the Avs call and want to trade Duchene for Gio straight up, how do you not consider that? To get that much younger when you are not close to contending...

But it's a fantasy for sure.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

One of these is not like the other. If the Avs call and want to trade Duchene for Gio straight up, how do you not consider that? To get that much younger when you are not close to contending...

But it's a fantasy for sure.

How would you not add to Giordano to get Duchene? If you can grab a player of the caliber of Duchene and have to give up Giordano and a prospect like Klimchuk, I think you do it. I think you do it even if you have to kick in a 2nd round draft pick. Duchene is exactly the type of player we need up front. Would be sweet, but I doubt Colorado bites.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

One of these is not like the other. If the Avs call and want to trade Duchene for Gio straight up, how do you not consider that? To get that much younger when you are not close to contending...

But it's a fantasy for sure.

I didn't say I would or wouldn't do it, I just don't think BT has any interest in moving the captain.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

One of these is not like the other. If the Avs call and want to trade Duchene for Gio straight up, how do you not consider that? To get that much younger when you are not close to contending...

But it's a fantasy for sure.

The Flames just signed Gio to an extension and gushed about how he is the pulse of the team. There is almost no chance they are thinking of trading him before that extension even kicks in.

He is coming off a major injury and is struggling at the moment but I don't see how management would even approach Gio about moving on. Wouldn't look good on the organization at all.

Then you look at it from Colorados perspective. They do t make that trade u less they are on the cusp of winning the cup. In reality they are staring down a rebuild of their rebuild. Trading for a 32 year old when the future of their team is a 20 year old makes no sense.

If the Flames really wanted Duchene likely they would have to include an unprotected 2016 1st in the deal along with a prospect (Wortherspoon, Kulak, Culkin, Anderson, or Kylington) and roster player like Backlund.

We gotta think Brad is in on this but like Kane and Myers he might not want to pay the price

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I didn't say I would or wouldn't do it, I just don't think BT has any interest in moving the captain.

I suspect you're right but at some point he is going to have to make a trade that involves a meaningful piece of the roster. We haven't seen him do that yet. So we don't really know what he thinks in that regard.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I suspect you're right but at some point he is going to have to make a trade that involves a meaningful piece of the roster. We haven't seen him do that yet. So we don't really know what he thinks in that regard.

There's meaningful and then there is the core. Look at how the Hawks built their team - they never really touched the core: Kane, Toews, Hossa, Keith, Seabrook. They've moved meaningful pieces though.
So there's a difference there.
Core for me is the same list provided above. But meaningful would be guys like Hudler, Wideman, Russel, Backlund, etc.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

So I bring up targeting Voracek a week ago, got flamed...

got on board with with targeting Johanson, even though Hudler was involved in the deal i thought of, got flamed..

But guys are all over the aiming for Duchene? So confused...

Personally, we have a much better chance of getting Voracek or Johanson over Duchene and have what CBJ or Philly are looking for more than the Avs..

No, you made horribly one-sided trade proposals regarding Voracek and Johanson and people pointed it out as such.

Then, a couple people did the same with Duchene.

What's hard to understand? There are a lot of people here who seem to think we might land an impact player for spare parts. It's equally suspect no matter who suggests it.

[kyuss275]

Mark Streit is out for 6 weeks. Flyers were already thin on the D . Have to think they are looking for a d-man. Problem is they seem to be farther out of the playoff picture than the flames. Do they even bother trying to get a top 4 dman, considering the cost, or just try and pick up some "meh" cheap D man to get them through the next bit?

[ScorchyScorch]

If Gio doesn't return to his 14/15 form in the near future I'd consider flipping him for Duchene. But there'd need to be a D prospect coming back too.

[Heavy Jack]

I think many fans are forgetting that Gio hadn't played competitive hockey since mid February. Pair that with a brand new expensive contract, him being the captain and just how much of a damn he truly gives and its easy to see why he hasn't been the Gio we know and love so well... Yet. This is Mark Giordano we are talking about people and he definitely is going to be back.

I'm asking for Duchene + if we are trading Gio for him as absurd as that may sound to some, he means and has meant so much more to the dynamic and the identity of this edition of the Flames since becoming captain than Duchene has meant to Colorado and I think any discussions about trading Giordano need to be taken with serious caution. This is a guy who would have run away with the Norris last year and been in the running the year before that if it wasn't for two kind of freaky/odd injuries.

My 2 cents on the Gio discussions of late.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by ScorchyScorch

If Gio doesn't return to his 14/15 form in the near future I'd consider flipping him for Duchene. But there'd need to be a D prospect coming back too.

Hahaha, that trade wouldn't happen straight up let alone Colorado adding.

[sureLoss]

Looking into the Avalanche prospect situation, one thing stood out to me. They have yet to sign a single pick they made in the 2014 draft.

The Avs fired their head of amateur scouting a couple of months after the 2014 draft so it is possible management is not in love with these picks. Granted there is still more than 6 months to sign them, but to contrast, the Flames have signed every single draft pick from the 2014 draft whose rights would have expired this summer.

In particular the following draft picks will fall back into the 2016 draft if not signed by June 1st.

C Conner Bleackley 6'1'' 198lb shoots R from High River
Roy was reportedly not impressed with him at his first rookie camp with the Avs.
Is the only 1st round pick from the 2014 draft not in the NCAA that has not been signed yet
Avs will get the 53rd OA pick in the 2016 draft if they do not sign him, so that is his minimum trade value

D Kyle Wood 6'05'' 209lbs shoots R
Great size and physicality and above average hockey iq
Injury worries

RW Nick Magyar 6'02'' 194lbs shoots R
was projected to go as high as 2nd round in 2014
big bodied RW but skating needs work
took a step back in his draft+1 year

Alexis Pepin C/RW 6'2'' 224lbs shoots R
2 way forward with some offensive upside
skating needs work

I doubt the Avalanche will let all of them go back to the draft, but I could see them throwing them as a sweetener/filler or potentially doing a prospect for prospect swap with some other teams.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

There's meaningful and then there is the core. Look at how the Hawks built their team - they never really touched the core: Kane, Toews, Hossa, Keith, Seabrook. They've moved meaningful pieces though.
So there's a difference there.
Core for me is the same list provided above. But meaningful would be guys like Hudler, Wideman, Russel, Backlund, etc.

I am with you. But if you are going to add a core piece via trade you might need to give up a core piece.

[ScorchyScorch]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Hahaha, that trade wouldn't happen straight up let alone Colorado adding.

Disagree.

The rough start aside, going into the season Gio was regarded as a top 5 dman in the league. Correct me if I'm wrong, but pretty sure that's worth more than a 20 goal forward to basically any NHL gm (Duchene has never hit 30). The only thing that offsets that is the age factor. But Colorado is in need of strength on their backend, so that diminishes that a bit, especially if they view their team as on the upswing in the next few seasons.

You either don't comprehend the value of top pairing d-men in this league or seriously undervalue Gio if you think that Colorado wouldn't consider that offer.

If Gio returned to form it would be a slam dunk for Colorado in the first 2-3 years, who are already ripe with talent up front.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I am with you. But if you are going to add a core piece via trade you might need to give up a core piece.

While this makes sense in theory, has it happened lately? The last young core pieces to be traded (that I can recall), were Forsberg, Hamilton, ROR, Stastny, Seguin, and Schneider. Did any of them return a core piece?

What was the last young star for young star trade? Hossa for Heatley?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Looking into the Avalanche prospect situation, one thing stood out to me. They have yet to sign a single pick they made in the 2014 draft.

The Avs fired their head of amateur scouting a couple of months after the 2014 draft so it is possible management is not in love with these picks. Granted there is still more than 6 months to sign them, but to contrast, the Flames have signed every single draft pick from the 2014 draft whose rights would have expired this summer.

In particular the following draft picks will fall back into the 2016 draft if not signed by June 1st.

C Conner Bleackley 6'1'' 198lb shoots R from High River
Roy was reportedly not impressed with him at his first rookie camp with the Avs.
Is the only 1st round pick from the 2014 draft not in the NCAA that has not been signed yet
Avs will get the 53rd OA pick in the 2016 draft if they do not sign him, so that is his minimum trade value

D Kyle Wood 6'05'' 209lbs shoots R
Great size and physicality and above average hockey iq
Injury worries

RW Nick Magyar 6'02'' 194lbs shoots R
was projected to go as high as 2nd round in 2014
big bodied RW but skating needs work
took a step back in his draft+1 year

Alexis Pepin C/RW 6'2'' 224lbs shoots R
2 way forward with some offensive upside
skating needs work

I doubt the Avalanche will let all of them go back to the draft, but I could see them throwing them as a sweetener/filler or potentially doing a prospect for prospect swap with some other teams.

What are the Avs looking for in terms of prospects do you think?

Are they looking for guys that could push for a callup basis, or some pieces to help round out their minor league squad?

If they haven't signed any of their prospects from last year's draft maybe they are interested in the signed prospects of other teams in that same age range?

Maybe guys like Klimchuk or Poirier?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

While this makes sense in theory, has it happened lately? The last young core pieces to be traded (that I can recall), were Forsberg, Hamilton, ROR, Stastny, Seguin, and Schneider. Did any of them return a core piece?

What was the last young star for young star trade? Hossa for Heatley?

Schneider returned a 9th overall pick, Horvat, which I think you could argue is a core piece.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Schneider returned a 9th overall pick, Horvat, which I think you could argue is a core piece.

The pick was never part of New Jersey's core. At minimum, a core piece would have to mean a player actually on your roster, don't you think?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The pick was never part of New Jersey's core. At minimum, a core piece would have to mean a player actually on your roster, don't you think?

Generally, ya, but I think when you're drafting top 10 you regard that pick as a potential core roster piece.

Phaneuf, Monahan, Bennett. The moment those guys were picked, they were all thought of as core roster pieces.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Schneider returned a 9th overall pick, Horvat, which I think you could argue is a core piece.

I almost didn't include Schneider, but I thought he still fit. The pick became Horvat, who looks like a core piece now, but at the time it was still just a 9th overall. Ninth overall picks obviously have a decent chance of turning out, but historically are no better than 50/50 to be full time NHLers, let alone core pieces.