[Signing] Gaudreau to Columbus (7 x $9.75 million)

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

And the best player to draft is the player that wants to play for you. If you get the feeling there may be challenges with that, you don't draft them. You don't draft players for draft capital downstream, you draft players to make your on-ice team better.

So your position is they should not have drafted Gaudreau or Fox?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

“All the things said and done in the past”? Like his August 2020 interview where he said he wanted a long term contract with Calgary?

Yet there were quite a few people who were certain Gaudreau was not resigning here, up to two years ago. But hey, something said on Twitter is definitely the truth. Why is Gaudreau not a Calgary Flame? He said he loved it here to a media guy who put it on Twitter!

Come on, you're smarter than this. That comment was from 2020. There was a contract negotiation that was taking place up to that, and nothing got finished, on the heels of that Twitter statement. Something was obviously not consistent in what was said. Other media guys understood it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Yet there were quite a few people who were certain Gaudreau was not resigning here, up to two years ago. But hey, something said on Twitter is definitely the truth. Why is Gaudreau not a Calgary Flame? He said he loved it here to a media guy who put it on Twitter!

Come on, you're smarter than this. That comment was from 2020. There was a contract negotiation that was taking place up to that, and nothing got finished, on the heels of that Twitter statement. Something was obviously not consistent in what was said. Other media guys understood it.

There were certainly mixed messages and mixed predictions. So based on mere uncertainty, Treliving had to go fire sale.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Maybe Gross didnt know the influence of the bigger boss until the 11th hour.

Johnny chose to sleep in the master bedroom with the boss in Columbus vs the garage in Calgary

Good choice

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Johnny chose to sleep in the master bedroom with the boss in Columbus vs the garage in Calgary

Good choice

All fine so not sure how that's on Gross. JG either was not honest with anyone or trying to flip the big boss last minute.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I hate to break it to you, but the powerful emotional attachment fans feel towards professional athletes is rarely reciprocated. Playing sports is their job. Most don’t think about their legacy in the various cities they play for in their career, any more than you think about your legacy at the various companies you’ve worked at in your career.

And I doubt any of Gaudreau’s teammates are surprised or angry that he chose to play in the U.S. Again, they’re professionals.

Yeah no kidding, but you'd think a guy who was drafted by the Flames, spent 11 years in the org, was a huge part of them going from a draft lottery team to a 111 point team and was on pace to potentially be a Flames all team leader in points would care a little more than that.

This wasn't Lance Bouma or Adam Pardy we were talking about here.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yeah no kidding, but you'd think a guy who was drafted by the Flames, spent 11 years in the org, was a huge part of them going from a draft lottery team to a 111 point team and was on pace to potentially be a Flames all team leader in points would care a little more than that.

This wasn't Lance Bouma or Adam Pardy we were talking about here.

Phhtt Gretzky could leave after 4 cups, anything can happen. New boss!

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

And the best player to draft is the player that wants to play for you. If you get the feeling there may be challenges with that, you don't draft them. You don't draft players for draft capital downstream, you draft players to make your on-ice team better.

Pretty sure the Flames got good value for that 4th rounder...Fox was also worth it really.

Late picks are rarely NHLers let alone stars

[manwiches]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

“All the things said and done in the past”? Like his August 2020 interview where he said he wanted a long term contract with Calgary?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1297942429769723906

I actually don't doubt he meant every word of this.

The problem as mentioned throughout here, was combination of

- the continued COVID crisis
- expecting first child
- massive decision as the center of the hockey universe, with multiple opinions within his inner circle

Someone mentioned earlier, but had he had his kid 1-2 years ago, or was not expecting now, I think he would have signed here no questions. The more I think about it, the fear of lack of cross border travel, coupled with new parents, would definitely not help with any anxiety him and his wife may have felt.

Now as I said earlier too, I think he negotiated in bad faith, and should have probably been more up front of those apprehensions he and his family had. I do believe him when he said it came to the 11th hour. He probably thought money would change his family's mind. I do not fault him or his family for choosing their life over hockey.

As for this interviews, I'd love to hear what a body language expert says, but to me, he's making the best of a bad situation.

While I'm disappointed with how this all played out, at the end of the day, we are cheering on men and boys who are paid to smack a rubber puck along the ice, who represent our city. I am a flames fan through and through, but life goes on and the sun rises tmw.

The Flames still have an excellent team. And I think Treliving has done very well given the circumstances. Will continue to cheer them on, and look forward to what team we ice next season and beyond.

As for Johnny, I wish him well and hope he and his family the best. I will enjoy watching him again when they play Columbus. When Iggy left, i thought it would pain me when he came back. Instead I was proud of what he had done for the franchise, and grateful i got to cheer him on as the face of our franchise. I don't hold the same sentimentality to Johnny, however I am grateful that I was able to watch him and cheer him on as a part of our team.

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[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Phhtt Gretzky could leave after 4 cups, anything can happen. New boss!

Haha, I think you're joking around but Gretzky was traded and he bawled like a baby when it happened. Plus his legacy was cemented already.

[chedder]

A little orange julius here but heard from a somewhat insider that this was mainly a decision by mom and wife to not return to Calgary.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by chedder

A little orange julius here but heard from a somewhat insider that this was mainly a decision by mom and wife to not return to Calgary.

Mom in law, or mom?

Either way, thanks Ladies. lol

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Haha, I think you're joking around but Gretzky was traded and he bawled like a baby when it happened. Plus his legacy was cemented already.

If Gaudreau was forthcoming as manwiches said, and got traded it might have been the same.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I kinda doubt they did an interview with a 4th round pick before selecting him.

I'm sure they interviewed him, if they didn't they better scouts, I just question how deep they dove into that talk. It seems the kid had one team on his mind, not just one country on his mind. Should have been a red flag.

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

So your position is they should not have drafted Gaudreau or Fox?

Not Gaudreau, but possibly Fox. We're in a world now where you really have to know everything about the assets you're bringing into the mix. The combine has become an important aspect of the draft now, and the opportunity to talk with these kids becomes just that much more important. Possibly requires new skills for scouts to use in their evaluation of talent. I would be extremely hesitant to draft Americans that have no connection or knowledge of Canada. Americans who play junior hockey? Yeah, take them if they interview well. Americans who played only in the American bubble? I would be hesitant as a Canadian team.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I'm sure they interviewed him, if they didn't they better scouts, I just question how deep they dove into that talk. It seems the kid had one team on his mind, not just one country on his mind. Should have been a red flag.



Not Gaudreau, but possibly Fox. We're in a world now where you really have to know everything about the assets you're bringing into the mix. The combine has become an important aspect of the draft now, and the opportunity to talk with these kids becomes just that much more important. Possibly requires new skills for scouts to use in their evaluation of talent. I would be extremely hesitant to draft Americans that have no connection or knowledge of Canada. Americans who play junior hockey? Yeah, take them if they interview well. Americans who played only in the American bubble? I would be hesitant as a Canadian team.

Johnny Gaudreau was taken 104th. How many players do you think are interviewed? I’m not even sure he attended since less than 100 do. And what do you think a kid is going to say to teams that might be interested in him? Nah, don’t bother - I’m an American.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

And the best player to draft is the player that wants to play for you. If you get the feeling there may be challenges with that, you don't draft them. You don't draft players for draft capital downstream, you draft players to make your on-ice team better.

Hard disagree.

You draft talent. If they don't want to play for you it's still better to have a higher value asset to trade than a lesser asset that likes you.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I'm sure they interviewed him, if they didn't they better scouts, I just question how deep they dove into that talk. It seems the kid had one team on his mind, not just one country on his mind. Should have been a red flag.



Not Gaudreau, but possibly Fox. We're in a world now where you really have to know everything about the assets you're bringing into the mix. The combine has become an important aspect of the draft now, and the opportunity to talk with these kids becomes just that much more important. Possibly requires new skills for scouts to use in their evaluation of talent. I would be extremely hesitant to draft Americans that have no connection or knowledge of Canada. Americans who play junior hockey? Yeah, take them if they interview well. Americans who played only in the American bubble? I would be hesitant as a Canadian team.

Possibly Fox?

You pass on a future Norris winner that you can trade for another asset for a player that likely doesn't play at all?

The next ten players taken after Fox are highlighted by the Rem Pitlick. That's it.

This literally makes zero sense.

[JohnnyB]

Thinking the Flames should not have drafted Gaudreau because he left for the US when he finally reached UFA status is mind-numbingly ridiculous. We would have lost years of entertainment and enjoyment as fans if the Flames hadn't picked Gaudreau. Looking back at that draft there are definitely changes that we could dream of, like taking Kucherov with an early pick, but taking Gaudreau in the fourth round is something I would never change. That was a brilliant pick, and great work by the Flames scouts.

I would take one Gaudreau who leaves as a UFA over 100 Chris Chuckos.

[Flamesfan05]

I rather draft Adam Fox than Kris Chucko

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Possibly Fox?

You pass on a future Norris winner that you can trade for another asset for a player that likely doesn't play at all?

The next ten players taken after Fox are highlighted by the Rem Pitlick. That's it.

This literally makes zero sense.

Hey, they could have had local boy Hudson Elyniuk. Calgary born, 6’5” centre. No flight risk there.