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Old 06-16-2013, 09:23 AM   #3061
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A mystery buyer.....ha ha ha...that is too rich.....I am assuming that the shadow will reveal himself only to the mind of this politician??

All the totes need is for some kid to break his leg or something and then find out he has super hockey abilities when his leg heals......or perhaps they need some angels in section 305 or something........
Keep the gong show alive......4 more years, 4 more years..........
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Old 06-16-2013, 10:05 AM   #3062
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A mystery buyer.....ha ha ha...that is too rich.....I am assuming that the shadow will reveal himself only to the mind of this politician??

All the totes need is for some kid to break his leg or something and then find out he has super hockey abilities when his leg heals......or perhaps they need some angels in section 305 or something........
Keep the gong show alive......4 more years, 4 more years..........


...mystery buyer? Will this be the reveal?

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Old 06-16-2013, 10:25 AM   #3063
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Key Arena spokesperson confirms ongoing ice making capability. We've gone to Key for Disney on Ice but last couple of years, they have used Comcast Center up in Everett.

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and it would only be for likely 2 years?

I know the council had said he couldn't break ground until they had an NBA team, but I wonder if an NHL team would work

start work this year, finished for 2015/16 season and by then an NBA team is all ready there

really hoping this happens, team in Seattle would be great
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Chris Daniels ‏@ChrisDaniels5 22m BREAKING: Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn acknowledges recent discussions with NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman
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Gawd I hope this happens. Can seat 15,177 per wikipedia (albeit some sight restrictions). As long as prices are reasonable can see lots of lower mainlanders making the trip down I-5, would be almost as good as a second team in Vancouver (like a Buffalo to the Niagara region).
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Old 06-17-2013, 08:22 AM   #3066
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Gawd I hope this happens. Can seat 15,177 per wikipedia (albeit some sight restrictions). As long as prices are reasonable can see lots of lower mainlanders making the trip down I-5, would be almost as good as a second team in Vancouver (like a Buffalo to the Niagara region).
It's quite a bit further than Buffalo is from the Niagra region. St. Catherines is about 50kms away, with Oakville being around 120kms. White Rock is 180kms form Seattle, with Surrey over 200kms away. I'm sure some people will head down for the occasional game, mostly Canucks games, but I really hope the league isn't banking on that as part of the decision.
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really hoping this happens, team in Seattle would be great
Why? I'm not sure that there is great demand for NHL hockey in Seattle. Attendance and ticket prices may not be much better than Phoenix.

It would be good to have a team in that market, for "footprint" reasons.

Nate Silver estimates an "avid" hockey base in Seattle of 241,463 (5% of the metro population). Phoenix = 263,054 (6%).

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...e-stanley-cup/

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Why? I'm not sure that there is great demand for NHL hockey in Seattle. Attendance and ticket prices may not be much better than Phoenix.

It would be good to have a team in that market, for "footprint" reasons.

Nate Silver estimates an "avid" hockey base in Seattle of 241,463 (5% of the metro population). Phoenix = 263,054 (6%).

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...e-stanley-cup/
Right but how many more 'avid' fans would Seattle get if they actually had a team?
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Why? I'm not sure that there is great demand for NHL hockey in Seattle. Attendance and ticket prices may not be much better than Phoenix.

It would be good to have a team in that market, for "footprint" reasons.

Nate Silver estimates an "avid" hockey base in Seattle of 241,463 (5% of the metro population). Phoenix = 263,054 (6%).

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...e-stanley-cup/
It's interesting that people seem to treat Seattle like a no brainer hockey market when there's really not much basis for it, besides it being further north. Junior hockey in the area does okay, but Phoenix had minor league teams for a long time too.

Personally I'm not sure what to think, it's certainly a large wealthy city so that's a big plus, but it's not a slam dunk. I wonder if hockey is still enough of a counter culture type sport to grab a big cult following the way soccer has been embraced.
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Why? I'm not sure that there is great demand for NHL hockey in Seattle. Attendance and ticket prices may not be much better than Phoenix.

It would be good to have a team in that market, for "footprint" reasons.

Nate Silver estimates an "avid" hockey base in Seattle of 241,463 (5% of the metro population). Phoenix = 263,054 (6%).

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...e-stanley-cup/
Hard to say without the NHL ever being here. One apples to apples stat is Seattle has 2 WHL franchises whose attendance in the aggregate is higher than the league high Calgary Hitman.

T-Birds = 4200
Silvertips=5200
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Hitman =8900

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Hard to say without the NHL ever being here. One apples to apples stat is Seattle has 2 WHL franchises whose attendance in the aggregate is higher than the league high Calgary Hitman.

T-Birds = 4200
Silvertips=5200
=9400
Hitman =8900

http://www.hockeydb.com/nhl-attendan...L1979&sid=2012
Seattle is also 4 X bigger than Calgary, and has no NHL team to compete with.
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One of the expressed concerns with Seattle is market saturation. They already have the NFL, MLB and MLS. Two WHL teams in the region, a AAA baseball team and a couple single-As. The purpose behind an arena is NBA. Add the NHL, and you'll eventually have five major league teams and a pile of minor leagues.

The metro may be 4 million people, but that is a lot of competition for sporting entertainment dollars.
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I agree with valo403, by no means is Seattle a slam dunk hockey market, the Seattle area fans are very flavour-of-the-month type fans (aside from the Seahawks, who have a strong following). Once the novelty wears off, will fans continue to support the team and be willing to pay the high ticket prices? The Mariners have a pretty good young team and some nights are playing before crowds of less than 10,000 in beautiful Safeco Field.
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Seattle is also 4 X bigger than Calgary, and has no NHL team to compete with.
True but you have the substitution effect with the Mariners, Seahawks, Sounders and NCAA.
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Hard to say without the NHL ever being here. One apples to apples stat is Seattle has 2 WHL franchises whose attendance in the aggregate is higher than the league high Calgary Hitman.

T-Birds = 4200
Silvertips=5200
=9400
Hitman =8900

http://www.hockeydb.com/nhl-attendan...L1979&sid=2012
One question is do those people become NHL ticket buyers at what are certainly to be much higher prices?
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One question is do those people become NHL ticket buyers at what are certainly to be much higher prices?
Truth.

Also, throughout these discussions on hockey markets etc..., people keep posting attendance figures with no reference to ticket prices. When analysing a market's viability, you really need to look at both.

There is a big difference in selling out the Dome or ACC at their ticket prices and say a southern US marketing getting a sell out when 80% of the attendees are in the building on $10 tickets that also give them two free hot dogs and a pop. Very different viability calculations go into those two "sell out crowds".
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Truth.

Also, throughout these discussions on hockey markets etc..., people keep posting attendance figures with no reference to ticket prices. When analysing a market's viability, you really need to look at both.

There is a big difference in selling out the Dome or ACC at their ticket prices and say a southern US marketing getting a sell out when 80% of the attendees are in the building on $10 tickets that also give them two free hot dogs and a pop. Very different viability calculations go into those two "sell out crowds".
http://panthers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=673777

Sunrise Sports & Entertainment announced today that a new $7 Florida Panthers season ticket offer will be unveiled during tonight’s Game 1 of the Stanley Cup Finals between the Boston Bruins and the Chicago Blackhawks (NBC6, 8 p.m.). The limited offer, available for only 500 season tickets, will include benefits such as a free jersey, free parking, four free concerts at the BB&T Center and more for just $7 a game. 



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As low as $7 a game per seat
Lower Bowl Seats as low as $30 a game per seat
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Truth.

Also, throughout these discussions on hockey markets etc..., people keep posting attendance figures with no reference to ticket prices. When analysing a market's viability, you really need to look at both.

There is a big difference in selling out the Dome or ACC at their ticket prices and say a southern US marketing getting a sell out when 80% of the attendees are in the building on $10 tickets that also give them two free hot dogs and a pop. Very different viability calculations go into those two "sell out crowds".
True, but you also need to factor in a whole host of additional things if you want to get a true picture of the situation, from lease provisions, rights to other revenue streams, front office expenses and a number of other things. No two markets are the same, you could put 14,000 in market A at $40/person and make money and put 18,000 in market B at $60/person and still have market A outperform based on other factors.
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Sunrise Sports & Entertainment announced today that a new $7 Florida Panthers season ticket offer will be unveiled during tonight’s Game 1 of the Stanley Cup Finals between the Boston Bruins and the Chicago Blackhawks (NBC6, 8 p.m.). The limited offer, available for only 500 season tickets, will include benefits such as a free jersey, free parking, four free concerts at the BB&T Center and more for just $7 a game. 


This is actually brilliant. It fills seats that likely wouldn't ever be sold anyways and it brings a pretty good amount of press along with it. That market is always going to be a struggle, the Dolphins would be in trouble if they didn't get rich hosting Super Bowls (which may become an issue due to the refusal to upgrade the stadium, which means no more Super Bowls), so creative promotions are always going to be necessary.
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Hard to say without the NHL ever being here. One apples to apples stat is Seattle has 2 WHL franchises whose attendance in the aggregate is higher than the league high Calgary Hitman.

T-Birds = 4200
Silvertips=5200
=9400
Hitman =8900

http://www.hockeydb.com/nhl-attendan...L1979&sid=2012
i wonder how many of the 9400 folks would be willing to drive the extra miles to whereever the NHL rink is, especially when you combine those miles with an increased ticekt cost?
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