2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yeah, you can't fault the Bennett pick.

You can fault the Smith instead of Point or the Mcdonald instead of Demko picks though.

Macdonald vs. Demko is fair enough, only a 2 pick difference. No guarantee Demko is a 1A starter, but obviously he'd be a better bullet in the chamber right now.

Point was picked 25 spots after Smith. Nearly every team let the wheel go around on him again. Point would have almost certainly found his way to the NHL, but whose to say he would have flourished in this system, anyways?

Montour, Ryan Donato, and C Dvorak were 3/4 picks immediately after Smith. Any of them certainly would have been nice to have.

Since 2014, Tre hasn't whiffed [except maybe Parsons] on any pick in the top 70.

[dammage79]

I think the end of the day the only point that should stand regarding Gaudreau is , he is not the type of player you can anchor to and have him drag a team through the playoff muck. Strictly from a genetic stand point. Hes still all world skill and playmaking but in the playoff hockey format he just doesn't have physical attributes to get it done.

He can't be the primary driver on a run. Thats it. Unfortunately the Flames do not have the type of depth to not rely on him in a run. So on that point, the Flames have to dig deep call a spade a spade and get max value in trade. What that looks like is TBD.

As for Monahan, I think once he and Johnny are separated he will revert back to his norm but I think the duo system for those two was long stale.

Lindholm, I'm having a tough time reading all the disdain for him after this series. He is the bar that other forwards should aim and surpass. Best all around player on the roster, team leader in goal scoring this year, he did his job. The chemistry of the first line failed, thats it. Once he got to line with Backs he resurfaced and looked normal again.

Looks like he helped a lot last night too even in that horrific display the team gave us.

So, I think Gaudreau is really the one to go. Give Monny and Lindholm a few different options next year where they could play on different lines or have a new LW and play together who can help the forecheck.

I say trade Gio max retention to a contender. I think the return will be fair but I want my vision of a retool for the D corps to be all youth and one stable presence.

Tough to trade your Captain but I believe the time is now to make that move.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

The idea that because a 5'6" player isn't going to go to the 'dirty areas' in the corners and playing dump and chase hockey in the playoffs is so ludicrous I don't even know where to begin.

I agree that the idea of the unmentioned 5’6” player never doing that is ludicrous.

The idea that Johnny will never do it is bang on.

The only dirty area’s you’ll see Johnny at in a hockey rink is in the latrine.


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[SportsJunky]

I don't necessarily agree with everything Francis says but who else will say it? I think he is right far more than he is off base. That includes much of what he said about JG today.

Now, if he would just take aim at Monahan.

[dino7c]

Demko played 27 games and won 13 of them for the great Canucks...he was on his way to leading them out of the playoffs until they were saved by covid when Markstrom was injured

he would still be a better pick but the jury is still out

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

I don't necessarily agree with everything Francis says but who else will say it? I think he is right far more than he is off base. That includes much of what he said about JG today.

Now, if he would just take aim at Monahan.

His whole stance on Ward is rubbish.

He likes Ward as a man, and it's clouding his judgement. Dude isn't a good coach.

[Classic_Sniper]

I have to say, there’s a whole lot deja vu around here. A lot of this trade Gaudreau talk just reminds me of the Iggy trade talk we saw a decade ago. Two completely different types of players, both wingers who just couldn’t quite carry their respective teams on their backs to the next level. It’s actually kind of funny.

Personally, I think this franchise will be stuck in perpetuity mediocrity if they continue to build the way they’ve built for the last few decades. The Fleury’s, the Iginla’s, the Gaudreau’s and inevitably the future Tkachuk lead team could ultimately suffer the same fate. Until this organization stops building around wingers, this team is going no where.

I think until this franchise finds the superstar Center or superstar Defenseman it needs. This franchise will be stuck in the middle. MacKinnon, Heiskanen, Getzlaf have all been the dominant forces behind the Flames’ last playoff exits in this era. Until the Flames get themselves this kind of guy, they’ll never be an elite team IMO.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I have to say, there’s a whole lot deja vu around here. A lot of this trade Gaudreau talk just reminds me of the Iggy trade talk we saw a decade ago. Two completely different types of players, both wingers who just couldn’t quite carry their respective teams on their backs to the next level. It’s actually kind of funny.

Personally, I think this franchise will be stuck in perpetuity mediocrity if they continue to build the way they’ve built for the last few decades. The Fleury’s, the Iginla’s, the Gaudreau’s and inevitably the future Tkachuk lead team could ultimately suffer the same fate. Until this organization stops building around wingers, this team is going no where.

I think until this franchise finds the superstar Center or superstar Defenseman it needs. This franchise will be stuck in the middle. MacKinnon, Heiskanen, Getzlaf have all been the dominant forces behind the Flames’ last playoff exits in this era. Until the Flames get themselves this kind of guy, they’ll never be an elite team IMO.

Yep.

I wouldn't say "superstar Center or superstar defenceman" I'd say "superstar Center AND superstar Defenseman".

This team needs both as it has neither.

I'd also add top tier goalie to the list...and top tier coach.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

His whole stance on Ward is rubbish.

He likes Ward as a man, and it's clouding his judgement. Dude isn't a good coach.

I didn't hear his stance on Ward but if it is that the players love him than he's correct. I do agree that Ward needs to be replaced though.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Weird how good Monahan's stats look when you just remove his name from the row...

Lots of haters round these parts! I would try to keep Monahan but I'm pretty fed up with the roster at this point too so if someone is offering a good haul I would take it.

You want to talk about a passenger, Monahan is definitely it. The guy is mediocre at everything except he is a good finisher in tight. Relies completely on Johnny to carry the offence. Trade him

[Ashasx]

I think Francis' stance on Ward has less to do with what he thinks about Ward and more about what he thinks the team is going to do. He didn't mix words in this tweet.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1296834003253620738

[FlamesAddiction]

I am almost convinced that Gaudreau gets traded, and yes, the return we get for him is going to seem underwhelming.

I know I may take heat for this, but IMO, he isn't a good top line player. He is just too soft to play against other teams best defensive lines, and other teams know this.

If you are a small player in the NHL, you better play with some grit and tenacity (Fleury, Verbeek, Ronning, St. Louis, Gallagher, Marchand, etc...). If you aren't gritty, at least be fast enough to avoid getting manhandled or throw some hits (Debrincat, Zucarello, Atkinson, Arvidsson, Marchessault, etc...). Gaudreau is neither fast, nor strong.

Gaudreau gets hacked away at and never stands up for himself, nor do his linemates. I honestly think the team would be better off if he played down on the 3rd line with Bennett and Lucic, while staying on the 1st PP unit. He would make those guys better, and those guys would create space for him.

[Niemo]

Get Poile on the phone.

Gaudreau for Forsberg - same contract, same position, both trams need a shake up.

Monahan isnt being upgraded for a top Center, so he stays.

Try to resign Brodie. Gustafsson, Forbert, Hamonic, not a big deal to let go.

Lucic - Bennett - Dube line has to start next season as the 3rd line.

Derek Ryan can be dealt to make cap room if possible.

Markstrom, Lehner then Holtby have to be on the UFA radar....Hall if he wants to take a slight discount (~7ish MM).

Gio should be on the top PP, but play him 2nd pairing minutes. Hope that Hanifin and Andersson take another step.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Niemo

Get Poile on the phone.

Gaudreau for Forsberg - same contract, same position, both trams need a shake up.

Monahan isnt being upgraded for a top Center, so he stays.

Try to resign Brodie. Gustafsson, Forbert, Hamonic, not a big deal to let go.

Lucic - Bennett - Dube line has to start next season as the 3rd line.

Derek Ryan can be dealt to make cap room if possible.

Markstrom, Lehner then Holtby have to be on the UFA radar....Hall if he wants to take a slight discount (~7ish MM).

Gio should be on the top PP, but play him 2nd pairing minutes. Hope that Hanifin and Andersson take another step.

I agree with this, except the "Lucic - Bennett - Dube line has to start next season as the 3rd line." The line that gave the Stars life? The line that gave the Stars the lead? The line that did nothing, and I mean sweet #### all, after the Stars took the lead? Big nope. Keep Dube, and challenge him more, but I want Lucic and Bennett both gone, and I don't care what it takes. Eight or nine impressive playoff games does not wash the bitterness of a compete crap season out of my mouth. Find someone dumb enough to take them and use the cap space wisely.

[Monahammer]

Gaudreau+Kylington to NJ for 7th overall+Severson+Zacha

Calgary gives up by far the best piece, very likely that Gaudreau is the top producing player in a single season following this trade. NJ gets to shift into 2nd gear, giving them a legit star to pair with their two 1st overall talents. Kylington can maybe fill severson's role (or at least make the sting of losing him less bad.) NJ will still need to swing for a big defender, but they would have the horses up front to make some real noise. For Calgary, we get another top 4 RD with some room to develop still, a solid middle 6 C to grow into Backlund's defensive centre role, and a lottery ticket. I see this as more likely than Philly, given philly must be pretty happy with the way their roster is playing and probably isn't interested in giving us some roster players in addition to futures, which I perosnally think is a must in a Gaudreau trade. I think this offer beats what Buffalo could muster (unless they're willing to do 8th+Cozens or Reinhart, which i think is unlikely.)

Giordano+cgy 2nd to Toronto for Nylander

Toronto spins their cap hit balance into a Norris trophy winner. Gio gets a solid send home instead of a cold ship out. We get to take back a Calgary kid, and another swede. Our 2nd is to make up for the considerable age gap/ contract control. I'm mad at Gio for a brutal playoffs, but I think Toronto could still be getting the "better player" here and see it as a win for them.

Trade Ryan for picks. A team with centre depth issues will love him. Maybe florida?
Resign forbort for less than 1.5 mil (I think this is acheivable)

Throw Hall a contract offer.
Throw Lehner a contract offer.

Hall-Monahan-Nylander
Tkachuk-Lindholm-Mangiapane
Bennett-Backlund-Dube
Lucic-Zacha-Phillips

Hanafin-Andersson
Valimaki-Severson
Forbort-Mackey
Yelesin

Lehner
Rittich

Flames have 7th overall and 19th overall to build with, but I think still ice a competitive roster. The D could be scary, or it could be perfect in the mold of a new age agile d core.


Edit: I forgot the most important part IMO which is to offer a contract to Laviolette as well.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by New Era

I agree with this, except the "Lucic - Bennett - Dube line has to start next season as the 3rd line." The line that gave the Stars life? The line that gave the Stars the lead? The line that did nothing, and I mean sweet #### all, after the Stars took the lead? Big nope. Keep Dube, and challenge him more, but I want Lucic and Bennett both gone, and I don't care what it takes. Eight or nine impressive playoff games does not wash the bitterness of a compete crap season out of my mouth. Find someone dumb enough to take them and use the cap space wisely.

Only New Era can watch Sam Bennett put up 8 points in 10 games and want him gone.

"The line" that gave the Stars life?

Nope, that was Milan Lucic.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Only ComicZone could ignore 12 points in 52 games, or 27 points in 71 games, or 26 points in 82 games... and so on! I am as sick of Sam Bennett as I am Johnny Hockey. Both need new addresses because they can't produce consistent results. I want guys that play hard regardless of what number game it is and contribute to wins. Bennett's best games are ones we lose.

And are you ####ing kidding me? Monahan just put up 8 points in 10 games and there is a crowd out for his head, and Monahan is three times the player Bennett is.

[PepsiFree]

What about a trade around Gaudreau to the Penguins for Murray?

Murray is better than his reputation right now, with a couple of awful stretches that suppressed his yearly totals, but some really great hockey outside of that. Pittsburgh logically has to move Murray or Jarry if they don't want to lose one to Seattle. They also want to shed some salary and shake up the offense a bit since losing Kessel hurt.

Gaudreau + Kylington

for

Murray + (Bjugstad? Rust? Basically someone that gives them a million or two in cap savings)

[TheScorpion]

Wow I'm sorry Pepsi but that is truly horrible.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Wow I'm sorry Pepsi but that is truly horrible.

Agreed.