2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by AC

Yup, I think the franchise needs to make significant moves and we've heard from insiders rumblings that the management viewed this year as the last chance for the core.

But what are the chances we pull that off properly vs cripple our franchise further?

Prepare to trade Gaudreau/Monahan/whoever for draft picks that never pan out for the team, setting us back further.

It seems like the team needs to rebuild, but honestly... what are the odds we do that successfully?

I really just want them to not over think this.

Gaudreau --> To New Jersey for the 7th OA
Monahan --> To Buffalo for the 8th OA

Trust the only group actually doing their jobs well (the amateur scouts).

As far as anything else this off-season - just don't overspend cap space for the future. Just stop being stupid for once, please.

...oh, and hire a freaking coach worth a damn.

Eat 50% of Johnny's salary and go get Byram from Colorado for Johnny?

[The Boy Wonder]

Dude our scouts suck

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Kind of telling we've never had a top 3 pick and stay mediocre. Not saying tank but we need a break.

Even Dallas got a top 3 pick a couple years ago because they won a lottery and moved up like 10 spots.

They shoved him down our throats in this series. I think Heiskanen had 4 or 5 points tonight alone.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Dude our scouts suck

I feel they've done a pretty solid job in recent years, at least on the amateur side.

The pro-scouts are an absolute disaster though.

...why is this organization so bad at everything?

[AC]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Kind of telling we've never had a top 3 pick and stay mediocre. Not saying tank but we need a break.

This team desperately needs an elite #1C going forward.

If there's any chance that Eichel is available, you have to make it happen.

Or... Ottawa picks #3 and #5, so pry #3 away from them and take Byfield.

Just make the bold moves for elite players or prospects, instead of this overpaid middle 6 BS we're used to.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by AC

Yup, I think the franchise needs to make significant moves and we've heard from insiders rumblings that the management viewed this year as the last chance for the core.

But what are the chances we pull that off properly vs cripple our franchise further?

Prepare to trade Gaudreau/Monahan/whoever for draft picks that never pan out for the team, setting us back further.

It seems like the team needs to rebuild, but honestly... what are the odds we do that successfully?

Maybe it's time for the Flames to start asking some tough questions about their amateur scouting. How is it that this team has gone for so long without picking someone in the first round who would actually go higher in a re-draft?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by AC

This team desperately needs an elite #1C going forward.

If there's any chance that Eichel is available, you have to make it happen.

Or... Ottawa picks #3 and #5, so pry #3 away from them and take Byfield.

Just make the bold moves for elite players or prospects, instead of this overpaid middle 6 BS we're used to.

Does Treliving have the balls to give Barzal an offer sheet that Lou struggles to match?

...and even then do we want Barzal if he's making $11 million or more AAV?

[AC]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Maybe it's time for the Flames to start asking some tough questions about their amateur scouting. How is it that this team has gone for so long without picking someone in the first round who would actually go higher in a re-draft?

I mean, Valimaki at #16 probably goes higher given Cody Glass, Lias Andersson, Mittelstadt, Michael Rasmussen, Owen Tippett, and Cal Foote all went ahead of him.

Tkachuk at #6 goes higher too given Puljujarvi and Joulevi.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I feel they've done a pretty solid job in recent years, at least on the amateur side.

The pro-scouts are an absolute disaster though.

...why is this organization so bad at everything?

Mediocre team is mediocre

[Jiri Hrdina]

Amateur scouting has been doing a pretty good job just haven’t had enough to work with

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Amateur scouting has been doing a pretty good job just haven’t had enough to work with

Some of the best players on the team going forward are 2nd round picks...and yet the Flames love to deal 2nd round picks away like candy.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Amateur scouting has been doing a pretty good job just haven’t had enough to work with

More picks would be nice, but you also can't afford to have picks like Mark Jankowski, Emile Poirier, Hunter Smith, Mason McDonald, Morgan Klimchuk, and Sam Bennett all within a few years of each other. That span alone probably set the stage for why this first rebuild didn't work.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

More picks would be nice, but you also can't afford to have picks like Mark Jankowski, Emile Poirier, Hunter Smith, Mason McDonald, Morgan Klimchuk, and Sam Bennett all within a few years of each other. That span alone probably set the stage for why this first rebuild didn't work.

Ranked #1 overall by central scouting the entire season

30 teams pick him at 4 in Calgary's situation

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Ranked #1 overall by central scouting the entire season

30 teams pick him at 4 in Calgary's situation

Yeah, you can't fault the Bennett pick.

You can fault the Smith instead of Point or the Mcdonald instead of Demko picks though.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

More picks would be nice, but you also can't afford to have picks like Mark Jankowski, Emile Poirier, Hunter Smith, Mason McDonald, Morgan Klimchuk, and Sam Bennett all within a few years of each other. That span alone probably set the stage for why this first rebuild didn't work.

I think the coaches and pro-scouts (free agency) are to blame for the stalling of Bennett. He's clearly one of the best players we have and the incompetence of the organization has stood in his way, alongside his own immaturity (but to hate young players for being young is stupid).

...but yep, everything else there is a huge failure - but also, the scouts likely saw some turnover when Tree truly took it over. I suppose you can blame Jankowski on an immature AGM in Connie as well.

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yeah, you can't fault the Bennett pick.

You can fault the Smith instead of Point or the Mcdonald instead of Demko picks though.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by AC

This team desperately needs an elite #1C going forward.

If there's any chance that Eichel is available, you have to make it happen.

Or... Ottawa picks #3 and #5, so pry #3 away from them and take Byfield.

Just make the bold moves for elite players or prospects, instead of this overpaid middle 6 BS we're used to.

I fully agree with this.



If Eichel is available, you tell Buffalo they can't have Tkachuk, but can pick any 2 other Flames players they like, plus we'll toss in a first round pick (second round if they take Johnny). Get this #1 center thing over with once and for all.



If Byfield is available at 3, have a chat with Ottawa about what it'll cost for them to move down a dozen-ish slots for their first pick.



For me though, Eichel is about the only guy in the league who fits the bill, so if it's at all possible you have to pull out all the stops to make it happen, particularly if we're going to have to watch several more years of McDavid, Pettersson, MacKinnon...

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yeah, you can't fault the Bennett pick.

You can fault the Smith instead of Point or the Mcdonald instead of Demko picks though.

That was technically Brian Burke’s only draft as the “GM” of the team, and I think size and grit was clearly a priority of the leadership team in that draft.

You can see the strategy under Treliving has been much better since then focusing on skill and high talent, issue is we haven’t had enough picks in the top 3 rounds because of the Hamonic, Smith and Elliott trades.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Dude our scouts suck

Is that so? Andersson, Valimaki, Brodie, Backlund, Janko (yes, hes played in the NHL and done some good things), Mangiapane, Dube, Kylington(TBD fairly), oh and Johnny Gaudreau! Oh and Kulak who so many are fond of.

Scouts have done just fine. No need to be over pessimistic.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

More picks would be nice, but you also can't afford to have picks like Mark Jankowski, Emile Poirier, Hunter Smith, Mason McDonald, Morgan Klimchuk, and Sam Bennett all within a few years of each other. That span alone probably set the stage for why this first rebuild didn't work.

You can have all but two players you've listed, Janko and Bennett, the rest haven't even sniffed a meaningful NHL game.

[Flash Walken]

If Treliving is in charge when Gaudreau is traded it won't be for picks, it will be a player or player blockbuster, maybe with the Flames sending a pick out as well.