[POLL] Calgary Flames coaching change mega-thread—with poll

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Why's that?

I mean I'm not in Peters corner necessarily but why are people so deadset against him? Maybe he's the next great young coach? I'm surprised people would be so negative about him considering we don't have a lot of first hand information on him. Carolina doesn't play us very often.

I mean sure I'd prefer Sutter and perhaps another guy or two. But there's a chance Peters is an amazing coach. I'm not sure how any of us can rule that out at this time.

I'm not in Peters' corner either but I will say that I trust Hockey Canada more than I trust Brad Treliving and Brian Burke and they like Peters too.

Originally Posted by Bill Peters Wikipedia

Peters served as head coach of the gold medal-winning Canadian team at the 2008 Ivan Hlinka Memorial Tournament. That under-18 team included future NHL stars Taylor Hall, Ryan O'Reilly, Brayden Schenn, Evander Kane, and Matt Duchene, among others.[10] Peters also served as head coach of Canada's gold-medal-winning team at the 2016 IIHF World Championship, and he was an assistant coach for Team Canada's championship teams at the 2015 IIHF World Championship and 2016 World Cup of Hockey. On April 9, 2018, Hockey Canada announced that Peters will serve as head coach for Canada's squad at the 2018 IIHF World Championship.[11]

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that these guys are asked to pump him onto the fans, if Treliving is, in fact, leaning towards hiring him.

Just like they were asked to pump GG's tires because the Flames weren't gonna fire him

Maybe they just have a different opinion?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Honestly, Peters would be a perfectly fine hire. He has experience with strong even strength teams with a talented blue line and difficulty scoring that are also plagued by inconsistent goaltending. He'll fit right in.

There are two parts to goaltending.
1) the goalie
2) the team
How can you decouple them?

Gulutzan had a team with good counting stats plagued by inconsistent goaltending. A team with good underlying stats and crap results.

I would like to know how Tre looks at the lousy results of Peters and sells it as anything more than a lateral move from Gulutzan, other than that he seems meaner and less liked.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

...So what does this have to do with Darryl? His teams gush swagger. They are always a confident team out on the ice. They are ready to play, and they play hard all game. This is the philosophical change that this organization desperately needed...

A lot of truth in your entire post. But one of your points resonated with me most - the fact that coaches do more than the X's and O's. There are so many examples of confidence and pushing the 'emotional' buttons on players to maximize their play. GG's stick toss. Hartley's comeback kids. Vegas for good chunks of the season. Basically any team at this point in the playoffs.

We can argue all we want that professional hockey players in the top league in the world should be able to 'muster the motivation' on their own to come to work and start the game prepared. But the reality is that the margin of error is so small, that every advantage helps - speed, skill, size, strategy, etc...but confidence and attitude give a huge edge to teams, too.

I don't know what GG was like behind the scenes . Like most posters, I don't imagine he was a very 'rah rah' type of guy, but I could be wrong. I also don't think Sutter is like that either (again, could be wrong). He just is conscious of the mind games and uses it to his advantage. And the mind games aren't just about pumping players up - they're also about buffering the 'low' moments. Stabilizing forces behind the bench would be especially useful for a younger group.

All in all, the personality and leadership of a coach matters a lot. At this level, a smart hockey strategy mind is absolutely required, but when you're dealing with the regular momentum swings in the game, especially for kids in their early 20's, you need to have a handle on the mental part of the game too.

I am leaning towards AV for several reasons, but I've always considered Sutter as one of the best at pushing buttons.

[joejoe3]

oh imagine if eddie lack was still here and bill peters is hired.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Canuck-Hater

Been listening to the Fan 960 today and I just find it extremely bizarre how much they are vouching for Bill Peters. I don't get it. Definitely cause for concern if this is the guy that Treliving wants to coach this team.

I keep saying this, but I find this very short sighted. There is more to hiring a coach than merely reviewing his record. Peters is also rumoured as a possible replacement in other NHL cities, and it sounds like he could have a fair amount of control over his next destination. I think this strongly suggests that—for reasons which are not obvious—he is a highly sought-after NHL coach.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

I still think Peters is the guy they want. Once he wraps up the Carolina stuff the Flames will scoop him up.

To echo what C4L said, it seems we are looking for coaches that will coach the 5-man attack possession style, that has its origin in Soviet hockey and was used so successfully by Detroit. That's all well and good when you have Larionov, Krutov, Makarov, Fetisov, Fedorov, Yzerman, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Lidstom, etc, etc, etc. It's another thing to apply it here or Carolina, where the talent deposits are not quite so rich. Sure, you can teach lesser players to slow down the game and hold onto the puck, but it's hard for them to actually score in that system, which is sort of the point of this activity. Can we win with this system. Sure, we just need to go back 15 years and bring back 2002 Datsyuk and Lidstrom. Or we can see if Pittsburgh is willing to move Crosby and Malkin for Brouwer and Brodie. The point I am trying to make is that you need to adapt your style/system to the players you have...

[MikePatton]

Voted AV. I think he's a strong leader who matches lines and makes adjustments very well. His track record also speaks for itself.

I would also be very happy to have Sutter back

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Why's that?

I mean I'm not in Peters corner necessarily but why are people so deadset against him? Maybe he's the next great young coach? I'm surprised people would be so negative about him considering we don't have a lot of first hand information on him. Carolina doesn't play us very often.

I mean sure I'd prefer Sutter and perhaps another guy or two. But there's a chance Peters is an amazing coach. I'm not sure how any of us can rule that out at this time.

Peters is 53, so not that young. In fact, he's older than more than half the coaches in the league (some not by much). And not much younger than Babcock, Trotz, Tocchet, Laviolette, Gallant (all within 3 years older). Right now the only coaches over 55 are Carlyle, Boudreau, Torts, Julien, Quenneville and Vigneault (barely).

I hear he's a good coach, but I just think this team right now needs a "name" guy to kick some ass. A guy that a young star won't or can't tune out. It's not the time to see if he's the next unknown but great coach.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

To echo what C4L said, it seems we are looking for coaches that will coach the 5-man attack possession style, that has its origin in Soviet hockey and was used so successfully by Detroit. That's all well and good when you have Larionov, Krutov, Makarov, Fetisov, Fedorov, Yzerman, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Lidstom, etc, etc, etc. It's another thing to apply it here or Carolina, where the talent deposits are not quite so rich. Sure, you can teach lesser players to slow down the game and hold onto the puck, but it's hard for them to actually score in that system, which is sort of the point of this activity. Can we win with this system. Sure, we just need to go back 15 years and bring back 2002 Datsyuk and Lidstrom. Or we can see if Pittsburgh is willing to move Crosby and Malkin for Brouwer and Brodie. The point I am trying to make is that you need to adapt your style/system to the players you have...

This... This is exactly what I want and what an actual good coach brings. Coaches who have lasted in this league long term at a high level are able to do this.

AV can do it Sutter can do it

The hybrid system of this where the team defends similar to these 5 man units but also springs guys fast like boston, tampa or vegas is what I want to see. Gallant has an excellent system that can win in the playoffs and also win in the regular season.

A team needs to be able to adapt tactics in game and not play a rigid style like GG


from what i've read Peters is basically running the same system as GG which is great if youre winning games but lousy and awfully boring if youre losing

[NewFan]

When we stole a coach from other team it didn't work well for us last time.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I'm not in Peters' corner either but I will say that I trust Hockey Canada more than I trust Brad Treliving and Brian Burke and they like Peters too.

Other coaches they've liked: Brent Sutter, Todd MacLellan, Tom Renney, Dave Tippett, Craig Mactavish, Andy Murray, Wayne Fleming.

[AC]

https://twitter.com/user/status/986985430615711744

Not sure if this has been posted yet.

Edit: Nevermind I see that it was a while ago!

I have no problem with Sutter coming back, but the notion that ownership might be pushing for it is a little scary. Wasn't Treliving getting autonomy key in his re-signing? Hopefully if Sutter does come back, it's because Treliving wants him.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Other coaches they've liked: Brent Sutter, Todd MacLellan, Tom Renney, Dave Tippett, Craig Mactavish, Andy Murray, Wayne Fleming.

touché

[Toonage]

So I've wondered about this. if ownership really does intervene and makes Treliving hire Sutter, do we see one of the following scenarios play out?

1) Treliving is dismissed, a new GM is appointed and Sutter is named HC
2) Treliving resigns, new GM is appointed, Sutter is named HC
3) Treliving concedes, hires Sutter, claims he wanted him all along

I would think if they gave Treliving his deal last year and allowed him to make the moves he sees fit only to turn around and remove that privilege from him, it would damage the relationship. Or, because he had to axe his coach a year early maybe ownership said fine, but we have the say on the next hire.

[bluck]

Originally Posted by AC

https://twitter.com/user/status/986985430615711744

Not sure if this has been posted yet.

Edit: Nevermind I see that it was a while ago!

I have no problem with Sutter coming back, but the notion that ownership might be pushing for it is a little scary. Wasn't Treliving getting autonomy key in his re-signing? Hopefully if Sutter does come back, it's because Treliving wants him.

Tre had his chance, he ruined it with Gully. I'd trust ownership more at this point if they are leaning towards Daryl

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by zamler

Troll magnet.

Honey pot. Now we know who's who

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by AC

https://twitter.com/user/status/986985430615711744

Not sure if this has been posted yet.

Edit: Nevermind I see that it was a while ago!

I have no problem with Sutter coming back, but the notion that ownership might be pushing for it is a little scary. Wasn't Treliving getting autonomy key in his re-signing? Hopefully if Sutter does come back, it's because Treliving wants him.

I believe ownership would not be wrong to ask Brad how anyone he nominates would be justifiable compared to Sutter

And presumably Tre has to make justifications and get approval from someone

[The Boy Wonder]

I imagine that ownership will allow Brad to hire who he thinks is right.

That said I hope Brad realizes what all of us realize, that Darryl is the best man for the job

[bax]

Originally Posted by bluck

Tre had his chance, he ruined it with Gully. I'd trust ownership more at this point if they are leaning towards Daryl

Really? What possible qualifications could ownership have for determining who the right coach is for this group?

Meddling ownership is almost always a bad thing in pro sports. Let the GM do his job.