Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Even if Gaudreau doesn’t sign, the Flames will not be rebuilding.

Then we are completely doomed. That would be insanity

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Steve Macfarlane

I'm not expecting any deal to be signed and delivered until Gaudreau's agent is able to talk to other teams without tampering coming into play.

Wrote about it here.

https://calgaryhockeynow.com/calgary...hnny-gaudreau/

Hope your wrong,. If Johnny starts taking meetings with other clubs come July 13th then he is as good as gone. East teams will have lavish presentations about being close to parents, much easier travel that equals more time at home to be with new baby and let’s not forget them putting their arena vs the saddle dome .

For the record I say Johnny signs with flames just before draft.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

East teams will have lavish presentations about being close to parents, much easier travel that equals more time at home to be with new baby and let’s not forget them putting their arena vs the saddle dome.

I very much doubt the Johnny is oblivious to these facts right now.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I very much doubt the Johnny is oblivious to these facts right now.

He obviously knows these things but don’t underestimate what a lavish presentation to drive the point home can do.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

He obviously knows these things but don’t underestimate what a lavish presentation to drive the point home can do.

$$$$$$$$>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lavish presentation.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Then we are completely doomed. That would be insanity

Depends on your version of rebuilding, but Sutter isn’t here to develop prospects for the next 3 to 5 years, because he’s gone and retired in 2 to 3 seasons tops.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by browna

Depends on your version of rebuilding, but Sutter isn’t here to develop prospects for the next 3 to 5 years, because he’s gone and retired in 2 to 3 seasons tops.

If jphnny doesn't sign then you inform the coach of a rebuild. He can quit or stay on.

[browna]

As for JG, he knows what he’s doing as I type this. But, put on the dog and pony show for show for the fans.

If he leaves, it’s because he can say talked with Team X and they wowed him and wanted to be close to family (even though he already was going there before the formal chat)

If he stays he says he chatted with other teams but really wanted to be here and chose here over everywhere else.

But again, as I said before, his mind is probably already made up because he has a pretty good idea who is interested and how much they are going to pay…more money then he will probably ever spend regardless of where he goes. So his choice is and always has been a personal one; stay here and cement a legacy as a Flame and have a good chance at a Cup under Sutter in the next couple years or go finish his career, and raise kids, probably, in the Eastern time zone and hope in the 8 years you get a chance or two for a playoff run.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

He obviously knows these things but don’t underestimate what a lavish presentation to drive the point home can do.

Mr. Lowe?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by browna

As for JG, he knows what he’s doing as I type this. But, put on the dog and pony show for show for the fans.

If he leaves, it’s because he can say talked with Team X and they wowed him and wanted to be close to family (even though he already was going there before the formal chat)

If he stays he says he chatted with other teams but really wanted to be here and chose here over everywhere else.

But again, as I said before, his mind is probably already made up because he has a pretty good idea who is interested and how much they are going to pay…more money then he will probably ever spend regardless of where he goes. So his choice is and always has been a personal one; stay here and cement a legacy as a Flame and have a good chance at a Cup under Sutter in the next couple years or go finish his career, and raise kids, probably, in the Eastern time zone and hope in the 8 years you get a chance or two for a playoff run.

I’m not sure anyone ever has “ a good chance at a cup”.

32 teams, odds are always long.

And it’s not like Calgary has some sort of legacy of playoff success.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I’m not sure anyone ever has “ a good chance at a cup”.

32 teams, odds are always long.

And it’s not like Calgary has some sort of legacy of playoff success.

Yeah, ask Jarome

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Well he is definitely getting at least 10 unless he signs at a discount

I think that would be a mistake as well. Yes, Gaudreau had a massive year, and played the best hockey he has played in his life. Is that sustainable, especially over the next eight years? I don't think so. You may get value out of that contract for the first three years, if everything goes like it did this past season, but what about the last five? I don't see Gaudreau being a player that scores 100 points a season for the next eight years. He falls beneath that level and you're in big trouble with a huge cap hit. I don't mind paying him eight figures for the first couple of years, but by the end of the contract he has to be down to a $6-7M player. Paying a 35 year old $10M+ a season is a recipe for disaster IMO.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

The only way to do that is to wait until free agency opens and then they lose the possibility of an 8th year.

If he waits until then, IMO he has a destination (or more) in mind and is just hoping they offer comparable money so he can split.

If it was mainly about money he'd take the Flames offer, unless they are low balling him.

Players scheduled to be free agents can have conversations with any team the day after the NHL draft takes place until the free agency window opens.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Players scheduled to be free agents can have conversations with any team the day after the NHL draft takes place until the free agency window opens.

Pretty sure they got rid of the free agent courting period

[AC]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Players scheduled to be free agents can have conversations with any team the day after the NHL draft takes place until the free agency window opens.

That official courting period is gone now.

From the NHLPA Memorandum of Understanding:
"UFA Interview Period The UFA Interview Period (CBA Exhibit 15) shall be eliminated".

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I think that would be a mistake as well. Yes, Gaudreau had a massive year, and played the best hockey he has played in his life. Is that sustainable, especially over the next eight years? I don't think so. You may get value out of that contract for the first three years, if everything goes like it did this past season, but what about the last five? I don't see Gaudreau being a player that scores 100 points a season for the next eight years. He falls beneath that level and you're in big trouble with a huge cap hit. I don't mind paying him eight figures for the first couple of years, but by the end of the contract he has to be down to a $6-7M player. Paying a 35 year old $10M+ a season is a recipe for disaster IMO.

The cap will be going up significantly pretty soon, 3 more years or so of these 1 to 2 mill bumps and then it will jump up into the mid 90’s, pretty soon that’s what the stars will routinely be signing for. Does Crosby get Crosby money or McDavid money if he’s McDavids timeline?? Not a chance he gets 8.7 much bigger chance he gets 12.5, that’s why when people freaked out about Coleman it was kinda funny considering it’s just a little over what market rate has become for a player of his ilk at UFA time. If the flames don’t sign Gaudreau after the years and years of investment into what has potentially turned into the franchises best all time pick because north of 9.5 is a bridge too far with Johnny I’ll be mega pissed. If Johnny is putting up a 92 point season 5 seasons from now like Kane did this year he’s a steal at 10 to 10.5 million and I think he has that ability.

It’s like some fans won’t understand just what Johnny has been and hopefully not was for this franchise until he’s gone. Dude puts up a season not since the likes of Gretzky and Jagr and there are so many people in here quibbling over a million and change AAV as too much… if the flames don’t sign him I’ll be so choked but will be a fan of Johnny for life, he’s been my favourite player to watch by far and has provided a ton of entertainment value in his 600+ games in Flames gear. Fingers firmly crossed.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

We all want the guy to sign with us but really, do we want to have such a high dollar salary on the books for a 36 year old in the year 2030? One thing that has really helped GMs across the league has been the increasing salary cap, which doesn't look likely to increase anytime substantially any time soon. I love watching him play and he's clearly the best player we've had since Iginla, but I think we should let him walk and rebuild. Trade Tkachuk for picks and start all over. We did well to be competitive over the last five years, but not well enough. I see nothing that leads me to believe that the team will be better next year than it was this year.

Call me crazy but IDGAF about 2030 right now. Keep the core together and try to win over the next few years. They’ve shown they can dominate in the regular season and that they’re a good team, learning lessons in the playoffs. TB got swept in the first round in 2019 by the blue jackets. Colorado has had some hard lessons too and they look poised to win this year. Teams typically lose in the playoffs before they win.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

He obviously knows these things but don’t underestimate what a lavish presentation to drive the point home can do.

This sounds like something Homer Simpson would say.

[Mr.Coffee]

I really don't think $1MM in cap space per year should be the defining legacy over whether or not to just get this done or not.

Does this contract get done lickety split at $10.5MM/year over 8 years? I think so.

Does it get done at $9.5MM/year? No, because it's worth $8MM to Gaudreau, who will inevitably test free agency, obviously. Any of us would too if the choice was go make $8MM more or not.

Does the $1MM in cap space matter? Yes. But what's more important, trying to make the rest of the cap space problem work and having a chance at playoffs again / competitive team again with Sutter at the helm, or losing it all because you were trying to thread the needle being cute and lost Gaudreau over $1MM in cap space.

Now is not the time to get all strong arm on the contract. The decision to try and roll with Gaudreau as our face of the franchise was made at the deadline a few months ago, not now. To me, this isn't that complicated and Treliving REALLY needs to get this done. If he doesn't personally I think he should be fired. And he should be willing to pony up here to keep Gaudreau. He was legitimately one of the best forwards in the NHL this year.

[GioforPM]

It would be negligent of Treliving to not try and get the best deal possible, in a cap world. He could get JG in a day by agreeing to 11M. But he may well lose Mangiapane or Tkachuk and have no way to replace them.

$9.5 versus $10.5 is indeed $8M. But a rival team would have to give Gaudreau 10.9 over 7 years just to beat their 9.5. If they offer him 10, a rival team has to pay 11.4 to match the contract.

It’s not “strong arm” to make an opening offer of the third biggest winger contract in NHL history. Of the two higher, one is Panarin’s and the other is Kane’s, and we can see how Kane’s (and Toew’s) contract affected the Hawks.

I expect they will end up somewhere between 10 and 10.5 and it will be very very lucrative for JG and very tough on the Flames’ cap.