[PGT] Flames Bad

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

Flames are at the bottom of the league in goals for. Several Flames are on pace for matching their typical career PPG. Most are not. So you can't give Huska any credit if the offensive department. In terms of goaltending, Wolf is well ahead of what I expected at this point in his career. How much of this is Wolf and how much is coaching/system play? And of the part that's coaching, how much can we attribute to Huska?

All I can say at this point is that Huska may have a role in Wolf's unexpected success this season. Other than that, he's coaching a bottom feeder team in a way that does not promote offensive creativity and scoring.

The bolded being the worst part of it. In contrast, Hartley may have been equally leaky on the defensive side of things, but at least the hockey was exciting and the kids (Gaudreau, Monahan, and Bennett) and offensive players were allowed to do their thing.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Flames are at the very bottom in goals for. I don't think anyone is saying they are an offensive juggernaut, but losing 10 OT games they would only need to be say 20th in GF and they would be in a way better position.

They give up the 10th most high danger chances, there is no defensive shell. They have a goalie playing great, that's it. That's the story.

Which players are you expecting to be better and score more? Look at that defence.

The reason we are at the bottom is we lack the talent. Only 3 players can cleanly enter the zone with the puck. Backlund, Zary and Kadri. Backlund is old and slowing down and Kadri plays with blinders on. That’s why we suck at 3 on 3.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by boogerz

The bolded being the worst part of it. In contrast, Hartley may have been equally leaky on the defensive side of things, but at least the hockey was exciting and the kids (Gaudreau, Monahan, and Bennett) and offensive players were allowed to do their thing.

The Flames don't have those kind of young players up front. At all.
They basically don't have a single true top line player up front. So if they try to out-skill teams, they will likely lose.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by boogerz

The bolded being the worst part of it. In contrast, Hartley may have been equally leaky on the defensive side of things, but at least the hockey was exciting and the kids (Gaudreau, Monahan, and Bennett) and offensive players were allowed to do their thing.

Do you think we would be playing this way if we had those players ?

0 difference makers at forward. 0 in defence. 1 in net.

[Rhett44]

I think Huska is a middle of the pack coach. I really think it's mainly been goaltending.

But he's not bad. The players play hard for him too, which is a big aspect of coaching.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I think Huska is a middle of the pack coach. I really think it's mainly been goaltending.

But he's not bad. The players play hard for him too, which is a big aspect of coaching.

I agree.
I've never stated that I think he's a great coach. Though I also don't really know how to evaluate it.
But for right now, he's good enough. And I think we sometimes forget that the Flames aren't the pick of the litter for great coaches. Who would they get instead that is unquestionably better?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I think Huska is a middle of the pack coach. I really think it's mainly been goaltending.

But he's not bad. The players play hard for him too, which is a big aspect of coaching.

Right. I’m not even his biggest fan. Wolf is probably the biggest reason for our season but we can’t discount what Huska has done. Getting buy in the play this way is always difficult and it may not even last.

Let’s see what he does when we get some skill in the lineup.

The same coach who is coaching the offence out of the team had Kadri score 75 points last year , Weegar 20 goals and Coleman 30 goals.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I agree.
I've never stated that I think he's a great coach. Though I also don't really know how to evaluate it.
But for right now, he's good enough. And I think we sometimes forget that the Flames aren't the pick of the litter for great coaches. Who would they get instead that is unquestionably better?

Let’s see how does with more talent. It’s time we stuck with a coach for a bit, tired of having to fire a coach after a few seasons. Now is the right time to see if he works out and grows with the team.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Which players are you expecting to be better and score more? Look at that defence.

The reason we are at the bottom is we lack the talent. Only 3 players can cleanly enter the zone with the puck. Backlund, Zary and Kadri. Backlund is old and slowing down and Kadri plays with blinders on. That’s why we suck at 3 on 3.

You think the reason they play an ultra passive form of zone defense and also PK is because of a lack of skill? This is a coaching decision, and I think the result is the Flames don't have nearly as much puck possession as they should want, which drives down scoring chances and goals.

I think is we didn't have Wolf emerge this year there wouldn't be very many people going to bat for Huska.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Let’s see how does with more talent. It’s time we stuck with a coach for a bit, tired of having to fire a coach after a few seasons. Now is the right time to see if he works out and grows with the team.

Farabee and Frost were added and he hasn't got squat out if them.

Maybe hire a proven coach then and stick with them.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

You think the reason they play an ultra passive form of zone defense and also PK is because of a lack of skill? This is a coaching decision, and I think the result is the Flames don't have nearly as much puck possession as they should want, which drives down scoring chances and goals.

I think is we didn't have Wolf emerge this year there wouldn't be very many people going to bat for Huska.

Zone defence was what Conroy was looking for. We had to make a change the man on man was getting shredded with mistake after mistake.

The PK has regressed. But yes skill goes into defending and the penalty kill as well.

Just look at our defence. We have 3 stable guys and it’s a constant rotation of guys in and out.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Farabee and Frost were added and he hasn't got squat out if them.

Maybe hire a proven coach then and stick with them.

They aren’t difference makers. Frost has looked good just hasn’t finished and Farabee started to come to life and Backlund got injured.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Zone defence was what Conroy was looking for. We had to make a change the man on man was getting shredded with mistake after mistake.

The PK has regressed. But yes skill goes into defending and the penalty kill as well.

Just look at our defence. We have 3 stable guys and it’s a constant rotation of guys in and out.

You can play zone defense and still try to pressure the puck. They collapse like the Swiss team at the Olympics.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Farabee and Frost were added and he hasn't got squat out if them.

Maybe hire a proven coach then and stick with them.

What proven coach do you think they could get to come to this situation?

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What proven coach do you think they could get to come to this situation?

Weak answer.

Money talks, so get it done.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

You can play zone defense and still try to pressure the puck. They collapse like the Swiss team at the Olympics.

Thank you. Great comparison. Why do Swiss play that way? Because they are heavily outmatched in the skill and speed department just like the Flames usually are.

You can get more aggressive and open when we get better players. Right now we have 2 waiver wire pickups and a guy who will be out of the NHL after this year and Jake Bean in our 3-6 slots.

It’s not a style I enjoy either but that’s what we have to work with.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Weak answer.

Money talks, so get it done.

You think they would be pay someone to come coach this team in its current form? While paying Sutter 4 million.

We have gone through so many coaches I wouldn’t be surprised if Geoff Ward was still on the payroll.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Weak answer.

Money talks, so get it done.

I mean my response wasn’t an answer at all
It was a question

The top coaches get paid no matter what
Provide names of who you think would come here

[dino7c]

If you're down 92-3 you just might be wrong

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Thank you. Great comparison. Why do Swiss play that way? Because they are heavily outmatched in the skill and speed department just like the Flames usually are.

You can get more aggressive and open when we get better players. Right now we have 2 waiver wire pickups and a guy who will be out of the NHL after this year and Jake Bean in our 3-6 slots.

It’s not a style I enjoy either but that’s what we have to work with.

You think the skill differential between the Flames and the Canucks is the same as the Swiss and Team Canada. Really?