Should the Flames offer sheet Dylan Holloway?

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think retribution is overblown.

There would need to a candidate on the team that originally did it, interest and ability from the victimized team to want to offersheet the candidate in question, and interest from the candidate to sign it. All during the ongoing reign of the victimized GM.

Plus, retribution from Oilers is not likely. They are cap constrained like crazy and that is only getting worse.

If you are smart with assets, it’s unlikely you’ll ever have to worry about retribution.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Yeah, this was a missed opportunity. Played perfectly by the Blues.

The player has to sign the contract, he chose the Blues

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The player has to sign the contract, he chose the Blues

are you of the opinion he doesn't sign if it was a different team?

that would be a hot take

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The player has to sign the contract, he chose the Blues

That's a really simplistic way of looking at. Did anyone but the Blues offer him a contract?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by BigThief

That's a really simplistic way of looking at. Did anyone but the Blues offer him a contract?

Do you really think the Oilers wouldn’t have matched if it was the Flames?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Do you really think the Oilers wouldn’t have matched if it was the Flames?

We can't know obviously. But it isn't junior high, they are trying to manage their team to be as competitive as possible. The price wasn't even that high, so they weren't too concerned about signing him. And they spent what little cap space they had on Jeff MFing Skinner

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by dino7c

apparently they wanted to

This is really interesting, where did you learn this?

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Do you really think the Oilers wouldn’t have matched if it was the Flames?

I'm talking about any team.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

are you of the opinion he doesn't sign if it was a different team?

that would be a hot take

We don't even know the Blues were the only team to make him an offer. We do know the Blues' offer was the one he signed. The Flames would presumably have had to top that offer, putting them in territory where the compensation would have been a 2nd… and I don't think he pots anywhere near 63 points in a defence-first system like Calgary's. Can't blame them too hard for passing.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

are you of the opinion he doesn't sign if it was a different team?

that would be a hot take

No I'm of the opinion that multiple teams were talking to he agent about an offersheet...we only hear about offer sheets that are signed

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

We don't even know the Blues were the only team to make him an offer. We do know the Blues' offer was the one he signed. The Flames would presumably have had to top that offer, putting them in territory where the compensation would have been a 2nd… and I don't think he pots anywhere near 63 points in a defence-first system like Calgary's. Can't blame them too hard for passing.

you've made multiple assumptions here, but I'll just address one - I think they could have offered more and still be within the comp window for the 3rd (I don't remember, but I don't think they offered max amount for a 3rd.

That brings up an interesting question though: do teams know what has been offered by others? I presume not. I assume each team would have to make their offer with a blind bid

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dino7c

No I'm of the opinion that multiple teams were talking to he agent about an offersheet...we only hear about offer sheets that are signed

sure, but that tells us nothing

the Blues weren't a playoff team last year - if there were multiple offers (that claim was never made by the media), I doubt he is choosing STL, based on the city.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

you've made multiple assumptions here, but I'll just address one - I think they could have offered more and still be within the comp window for the 3rd (I don't remember, but I don't think they offered max amount for a 3rd

The offer from the Blues was the exact maximum for a 3rd: $2,290,457. I checked.

The combined offers to Broberg and Holloway were designed to make it as hard as possible for the Oilers to match without giving up a first in compensation – and also to make it impossible for any other team to make a better offer without going up to the next compensation bracket. Apparently nobody thought it was worth giving up a 2nd + cap space for Holloway, or a 1st + 3rd + cap space for Broberg.

That brings up an interesting question though: do teams know what has been offered by others? I presume not. I assume each team would have to make their offer with a blind bid

I don't ever recall seeing any such rule. What I do know is that there is no rule requiring a team to make only one bid. If an agent receives an offer and says, ‘Not enough,’ the team can always make a better offer.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

the Blues weren't a playoff team last year - if there were multiple offers (that claim was never made by the media), I doubt he is choosing STL, based on the city.

I don't recall ever hearing from the media about any offer made to an RFA unless the RFA actually signed the offer sheet. Players are free to turn down offers.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The offer from the Blues was the exact maximum for a 3rd: $2,290,457. I checked.



I don't ever recall seeing any such rule. What I do know is that there is no rule requiring a team to make only one bid. If an agent receives an offer and says, ‘Not enough,’ the team can always make a better offer.

Yeah, I assume it's like UFAs in the summer. You can ask the agent, but you have to take what they tell you with a grain of salt. And sure, if they don't bite on your first offer, I presume you can re-up.

[dino7c]

Its been reported that 3 teams wanted to offersheet both, Blues were the preferred destination. Calgary was one of the three according to Jeff Marek and others.

There is a TON of speculation before and after the Flames were involved and trying to get picks back

[Enoch Root]

It came out that the Flames were interested, but I don't think we know if they actually submitted offers.

Also, we have no idea what any other offers were (if there were any)

Claiming 'Blues were the preferred destination' is a big assumption

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It came out that the Flames were interested, but I don't think we know if they actually submitted offers.

Also, we have no idea what any other offers were (if there were any)

Claiming 'Blues were the preferred destination' is a big assumption

Its a direct quote from Jeff Marek who likely has some solid sources, dont shoot the messenger

"3 teams"
"Flames were one of them"
"Blues preferred destination"

Flames are on every no trade, have the oldest arena, and were expected to be bottom feeders...hardly a stretch to think a player might chose the Blues.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Its a direct quote from Jeff Marek who likely has some solid sources, dont shoot the messenger

"3 teams"
"Flames were one of them"
"Blues preferred destination"

sure, but 1) despite sources, these guys still have to surmise some things, and 2) you're assuming a fair bit beyond what is said there

this happens all the time here, when people quote rumours - a lot gets assumed, and a lot gets turned into 'facts' (not directing this at you)

[dino7c]

Im not assuming anything just saying what has been reported. They chose the Blues offer over anything the Oilers were offering. If their agent was doing his job it would have been known they were open for business.