[Rumour] Dreger: Markstrom trade won't happen unless NJ includes Mercer and higher draft pick

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by butterfly

We aren’t allowed to talk about this. Instead the league should change the Vezina trophy to the Markstrom trophy and New Jersey owes us Mercer, Holtz, and a 1st rounder. And has to pay the $14 million.

Yes, we all know you think top goalies grow on trees in the ECHL, and you hate Markstrom because he's not working for league minimum.

Are you and dgibb10 related by any chance?

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

No one is a guaranteed solution at any position.

You pay for the safest bet. Who is a safer bet in net than Markstrom right now? I'll wait. Most of the handful of contenders for that honour this season he has played and beaten head to head, including Swayman and Vasilevskiy tonight.

He's led the league in saves above expected since before the midway mark of the season.

If some Devils fan think he's just another option and the Devils can find a comparable upgrade laying around anywhere, then he's an idiot and fooling himself.

Devils are welcome to go and fetch that guy for the pennies this guy thinks they're worth. They'll be back.

Ullmark quite frankly. 2 years is a better term (I do NOT want to be stuck with 36 year old Markstrom in a year where Ullmark, Shesterkin, Saros, Georgiev, Adin Hill, Logan Thompson are all UFAs)

He's younger, I think he's better, and frankly from the conversations I've had with bruins fans he'll be much cheaper.

Jarry I'd also prefer, Montembault (much smaller cap hit), Spencer Knight, Saros, Logan Thompson

This year Markstrom has been great. But frankly Calgary missed the boat. A top of the market goalie offer was out there, they passed.

Going into next season age 35 year old markstrom is anything but a safe bet

[Angelino]

Originally Posted by dino7c

owners are involved when money is retained...I think Edwards involvement is overblown. Flames are currently retaining on 2 contracts and selling while 6 points out of both WC spots

That makes sense. I’m just hoping Edwards doesn’t sign off on all trades even when money is not retained. If that was the case there would be no need for a GM.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Southside

This guy won't stop

The forum's resistance to Spurs-like posting grew weak in his absence.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

From age 34-36 (the remainder of the markstrom contract), just 1 goalie has been top 10 in GSAx in that time frame over the last 15 years (Mike Smith). Goalies aging well is a myth. In fact goaltending has been getting younger and younger.

Here is a complete list of goalies to maintain a starter workload (100+ starts over the 3 year span), while having a postive GSAx in their age 34-36 seasons since 2010


Mike Smith: 18.61 GSAx
Pekka Rinne: 6.14
Vokoun: 2.6
Luongo: 2
Henrik: 0.56

Better tell Fitzgerald/NJ front office then, it's them that wants Markstrom so bad!

We were expecting a Vladar move. Not sure why you're here barking at Flames fans. Your team started the conversation

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Ullmark quite frankly. 2 years is a better term (I do NOT want to be stuck with 36 year old Markstrom in a year where Ullmark, Shesterkin, Saros, Georgiev, Adin Hill, Logan Thompson are all UFAs)

He's younger, I think he's better, and frankly from the conversations I've had with bruins fans he'll be much cheaper.

Trade for Ullmark and move on then.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Please enlighten me on what Tom Fitzgerald offered then.

I know at least Holtz and the 2025 1st was offered, I cannot confirm what else was in there. This has also been stated by multiple insiders that get paid to do this for a living.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Ullmark quite frankly. 2 years is a better term (I do NOT want to be stuck with 36 year old Markstrom in a year where Ullmark, Shesterkin, Saros, Georgiev, Adin Hill, Logan Thompson are all UFAs)

He's younger, I think he's better, and frankly from the conversations I've had with bruins fans he'll be much cheaper.

Cool - go get him then. Why are you here?

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

At this point this season is gone. For 24-25 and 25-26, here is a list of goalies I would choose over 35 and 36 year old Markstrom

Shesty, Sorokin, Saros, Oetter, Swayman, Ullmark, Vasy, Demko, Jarry, Adin Hill, Logan Thompson, Bob, Connor Ingram, 6K, Askarov. That is 15 goalies.


The problem is fanbases all think their goalie is top 3, or top 5, or top 10.

Every fanbase thinks any cold streak on their goalie is a slump, and any hot streak will last forever.

Well

Go get them then

It truly is that simple

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

The offer for what? The alleged offer for Markstrom?

From what I've seen it was Holtz for Markstrom (2 mill retained)

Honestly if Calgary was smart too, that first could be valuable coming to us, and you make room for the wolf, I would take that deal in a heartbeat, mercer is good, but I think a bit over rated, don't think he projects first line potential, something they need

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Ullmark quite frankly. 2 years is a better term (I do NOT want to be stuck with 36 year old Markstrom in a year where Ullmark, Shesterkin, Saros, Georgiev, Adin Hill, Logan Thompson are all UFAs)

He's younger, I think he's better, and frankly from the conversations I've had with bruins fans he'll be much cheaper.

Jarry I'd also prefer, Montembault (much smaller cap hit), Spencer Knight, Saros, Logan Thompson

No, h won't be cheaper. I don't care what conversations you have had with Bruin fans, Ullmark is in his prime and coming off a Vezina trophy. He is also not available until at least the offseason. The ask for Ullmark will be substantial, almost certainly higher than Markstrom.

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Honestly if Calgary was smart too, that first could be valuable coming to us, and you make room for the wolf, I would take that deal in a heartbeat, mercer is good, but I think a bit over rated, don't think he projects first line potential, something they need

NJD's 2024 1st is no longer on the table, but if you prefer a pick return for Markstrom

Holtz for Markstrom (2 mill retained)
or
2025 1st+2nd+3rd for Markstrom (2 mill retained)

And frankly the offer goes down significantly in the offseason

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Honestly if Calgary was smart too, that first could be valuable coming to us, and you make room for the wolf, I would take that deal in a heartbeat, mercer is good, but I think a bit over rated, don't think he projects first line potential, something they need

well Holtz sure as hell doesn't (just ask Fitz)

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Are Devils fans the Oiler fans of the East? Terrible opinions, sweatpants and good shoes, a city nobody respects and a team destined for mediocrity that only ever was something because they just so happen to draft a player that was the best at his position by a mile

A fascinating possibility.

Newark is the Edmonton of New Jersey.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

NJD's 2024 1st is no longer on the table, but if you prefer a pick return for Markstrom

Holtz for Markstrom (2 mill retained)
or
2025 1st+2nd+3rd for Markstrom (2 mill retained)

And frankly the offer goes down significantly in the offseason

Nope. Go get Ulmark

[driveway]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The guy just joined and has 1 post, probably a hopeful Oilers fan.

Bruh. You were IN THE THREAD where all the lurkers were joining. Try getting over your Hanafin butthurt for twenty minutes and be a decent community member.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Lol @ that list. Jarry?

The guy the Flames just clowned with Markstrom in net?

RIP Devils cup chances if you were in charge.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Newark is the Edmonton of New Jersey.

New Jersey is the Edmonton of the eastern seaboard.

Does that make Newark double Edmonton?

[CalgaryFan1988]

Fitz more or less said Holtz is the worst player in the NHL, no? What exactly is the knock on Holtz?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

NJD's 2024 1st is no longer on the table, but if you prefer a pick return for Markstrom

Holtz for Markstrom (2 mill retained)
or
2025 1st+2nd+3rd for Markstrom (2 mill retained)

And frankly the offer goes down significantly in the offseason

Lmao, apparently you think you are the GM of the Devils, you are not. You don't get to dictate what the offers are or if they go up or down. It is already out there, everybody the Devils have spoken to in regards to a #1 goalie starts with Mercer. It isn't going down just because the season ends, this isn't how this works.