[Rumour] Dreger: Markstrom trade won't happen unless NJ includes Mercer and higher draft pick

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

At this point this season is gone. For 24-25 and 25-26, here is a list of goalies I would choose over 35 and 36 year old Markstrom

Shesty, Sorokin, Saros, Oetter, Swayman, Ullmark, Vasy, Demko, Jarry, Adin Hill, Logan Thompson, Bob, Connor Ingram, 6K, Askarov. That is 15 goalies.


The problem is fanbases all think their goalie is top 3, or top 5, or top 10.

Every fanbase thinks any cold streak on their goalie is a slump, and any hot streak will last forever.

Brodeur, one of the greatest of all time who works for the Devils thinks Markstom is top 5 in the league...let alone available guys

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by CgyFlamesftw

3. You know why he went UFA right?

I honestly don't think he does. I think he believes the Canucks wanted to lose him for nothing.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

at this point this season is gone. For 24-25 and 25-26, here is a list of goalies i would choose over 35 and 36 year old markstrom

shesty, sorokin, saros, oetter, swayman, ullmark, vasy, demko, jarry, adin hill, logan thompson, bob, connor ingram, 6k, askarov. That is 15 goalies.


The problem is fanbases all think their goalie is top 3, or top 5, or top 10.

Every fanbase thinks any cold streak on their goalie is a slump, and any hot streak will last forever.

lol

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

At this point this season is gone. For 24-25 and 25-26, here is a list of goalies I would choose over 35 and 36 year old Markstrom

Shesty, Sorokin, Saros, Oetter, Swayman, Ullmark, Vasy, Demko, Jarry, Adin Hill, Logan Thompson, Bob, Connor Ingram, 6K, Askarov. That is 15 goalies.


The problem is fanbases all think their goalie is top 3, or top 5, or top 10.

Every fanbase thinks any cold streak on their goalie is a slump, and any hot streak will last forever.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

At this point this season is gone. For 24-25 and 25-26, here is a list of goalies I would choose over 35 and 36 year old Markstrom

Shesty, Sorokin, Saros, Oetter, Swayman, Ullmark, Vasy, Demko, Jarry, Adin Hill, Logan Thompson, Bob, Connor Ingram, 6K, Askarov. That is 15 goalies.


The problem is fanbases all think their goalie is top 3, or top 5, or top 10.

Every fanbase thinks any cold streak on their goalie is a slump, and any hot streak will last forever.

Okay, bye.

(why are you here? because you do in fact want Markstrom)

[Angelino]

Originally Posted by dino7c

According to CP the anything bad is his fault
anything good is despite him
lol

It’s good to have a scapegoat at least! Do other GMs also have to run all trades by the owners? I’m not an expert in the situation and not sure what is normal. I would think the owners hire GMs to execute trades and the draft as the GMs are hockey minds. Maybe I’m wrong, wasn’t sure, maybe this is the norm across the NHL…

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

No one is a guaranteed solution at any position.

You pay for the safest bet. Who is a safer bet in net than Markstrom right now? I'll wait. Most of the handful of contenders for that honour this season he has played and beaten head to head, including Swayman and Vasilevskiy tonight.

He's led the league in saves above expected since before the midway mark of the season.

If some Devils fan think he's just another option and the Devils can find a comparable upgrade laying around anywhere, then he's an idiot and fooling himself.

Devils are welcome to go and fetch that guy for the pennies this guy thinks they're worth. They'll be back.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't mean to say I told you so about Mercer being the hardline...oh yes I do lol.

Do they still think Markstrom is worth Mercer and a 1st round pick at the minimum? Hah.

[PepsiFree]

Are Devils fans the Oiler fans of the East? Terrible opinions, sweatpants and good shoes, a city nobody respects and a team destined for mediocrity that only ever was something because they just so happen to draft a player that was the best at his position by a mile

A fascinating possibility.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Angelino

It’s good to have a scapegoat at least! Do other GMs also have to run all trades by the owners? I’m not an expert in the situation and not sure what is normal. I would think the owners hire GMs to execute trades and the draft as the GMs are hockey minds. Maybe I’m wrong, wasn’t sure, maybe this is the norm across the NHL…

owners are involved when money is retained...I think Edwards involvement is overblown. Flames are currently retaining on 2 contracts and selling while 6 points out of both WC spots

[midniteowl]

To the people who keep saying it's not worth it to trade a young player for 2 years of goalie. The Flames once upon a time traded away a young guy name Hull, and won a Cup. Keeping an up and comer mean squat if your goaltending is poo, all your team can do is hovering on making or missing the playoff.

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by CgyFlamesftw

OK here we go,
1. 6 million is fine price for goaltender now a days, also like you said its only 2 more years.
2. Goalies age fine as they get older, they are not like forwards at all.
3. You know why he went UFA right? Isnt too many teams other than Boston who have that luxury and if a top goaltender hits UFA right now there are atleast 5 contending teams having a bidding war.

From age 34-36 (the remainder of the markstrom contract), just 1 goalie has been top 10 in GSAx in that time frame over the last 15 years (Mike Smith). Goalies aging well is a myth. In fact goaltending has been getting younger and younger.

Here is a complete list of goalies to maintain a starter workload (100+ starts over the 3 year span), while having a postive GSAx in their age 34-36 seasons since 2010


Mike Smith: 18.61 GSAx
Pekka Rinne: 6.14
Vokoun: 2.6
Luongo: 2
Henrik: 0.56

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Are Devils fans the Oiler fans of the East? Terrible opinions, sweatpants and good shoes, a city nobody respects and a team destined for mediocrity that only ever was something because they just so happen to draft a player that was the best at his position by a mile

A fascinating possibility.

ironically, a position of little value

[midniteowl]

For the love of everything that's holy...

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Brodeur, one of the greatest of all time who works for the Devils thinks Markstom is top 5 in the league...let alone available guys

That’s interesting, where’d you see this comment from Brodeur? Is he in management somewhere?

Also I’m surprised the Flyers aren’t more in on Markstrom.

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

To the people who keep saying it's not worth it to trade a young player for 2 years of goalie. The Flames once upon a time traded away a young guy name Hull, and won a Cup. Keeping an up and comer mean squat if your goaltending is poo, all your team can do is hovering on making or missing the playoff.

That was the pre salary cap era.

Again, please explain to me how Markstrom guarantees playoffs. The flames had a damn good roster and missed the playoffs 2/3 (about to be 3/4 years). He was actively harmful in 2 of those years. And that's from ages 30-33. 34-36 probably is worse, not better

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

From age 34-36 (the remainder of the markstrom contract), just 1 goalie has been top 10 in GSAx in that time frame over the last 15 years (Mike Smith). Goalies aging well is a myth. In fact goaltending has been getting younger and younger.

Here is a complete list of goalies to maintain a starter workload (100+ starts over the 3 year span), while having a postive GSAx in their age 34-36 seasons since 2010


Mike Smith: 18.61 GSAx
Pekka Rinne: 6.14
Vokoun: 2.6
Luongo: 2
Henrik: 0.56

We aren’t allowed to talk about this. Instead the league should change the Vezina trophy to the Markstrom trophy and New Jersey owes us Mercer, Holtz, and a 1st rounder. And has to pay the $14 million.

[mile]

https://thehockeywriters.com/flames-...raise-brodeur/

“The top five goalies currently in the NHL would be [Andrei] Vasilevskiy, [Igor] Shesterkin, [Ilya] Sorokin, Adin Hill,” Brodeur said. “For the fifth one… I’ll go with Markstrom.”

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

To the people who keep saying it's not worth it to trade a young player for 2 years of goalie. The Flames once upon a time traded away a young guy name Hull, and won a Cup. Keeping an up and comer mean squat if your goaltending is poo, all your team can do is hovering on making or missing the playoff.

Maybe not if that young player is an integral part of your core.

But New Jersey has better young guys ahead of that young guy. Mercer won't hamper a cup bid if they upgrade their goaltending.

But not upgrading their goaltending will hamper (nay, crater) any cup bid.

This logic seems easy to follow, surprised it's so hard for some..

[Southside]

This guy won't stop