[PGT] Flames win 2-1 in OT over Vegas!

[blankall]

What a game. With an average PP the Flames win this one 3-1 in regulation. Kadri looks amazing right now. He's making a lot of great plays. If this team could get Huberdeau rolling in a similar fashion, they could be great. Andersson, Weegar, Tanev, and Hanifin look like a legit top 4. The scoring depth is there....Just need Huberdeau to show up.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Missed the game. Who stood out the most?

Spoiler!

[blankall]

Originally Posted by D as in David

There's no doubt that Pospisil and Zary have created a bounce (and a big one, at that) but it also may be that their arrival is coinciding with the team becoming more comfortable with the system(s) implemented this year.

They look like legit middle six forwards. Having them on the team adds so much depth. They both bring a ton of hustle.

The Flames top 3 forwards are Kadri, Huberdeau, and Lindholm. They had Coleman, Mangiapane, Dube, Sharangovich, and Backlund as solid depth pieces. Adding two more really puts them over the top.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by blankall

What a game. With an average PP the Flames win this one 3-1 in regulation. Kadri looks amazing right now. He's making a lot of great plays. If this team could get Huberdeau rolling in a similar fashion, they could be great. Andersson, Weegar, Tanev, and Hanifin look like a legit top 4. The scoring depth is there....Just need Huberdeau to show up.

If the PP gets going, that is a game changer for sure. It's so unsustainably bad right now, that I have to think the pendulum has to swing the other way eventually.

Huberdeau had that good 3 game streak and we definitely need to see more of that. I thought the past 2 games, he looked OK and at least wasn't a liability. He was always a streaky player.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

If the PP gets going, that is a game changer for sure. It's so unsustainably bad right now, that I have to think the pendulum has to swing the other way eventually.

Huberdeau had that good 3 game streak and we definitely need to see more of that. I thought the past 2 games, he looked OK and at least wasn't a liability. He was always a streaky player.

I think if Huberdeau shoots more, the chances of him scoring is very high or at least it won't cause turnovers. I saw in that game last night where the Flames could've led by 2 goals if he would just get the shots into the upper part of the net. Instead he passed the pucks off and created turnovers. Frustrating to watch at times!

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

They mentioned last night that the Flames only won 2 games last season when trailing in the 3rd period which they have already eclipsed. That's kind of shocking over 82 games that they could only pull that off twice.

Last season the Flames had 2 wins and 4 OT losses when entering the 3rd period trailing, for a total of 8 points

We already have 4 wins this season when entering the 3rd period trailing, and 2 OT losses, for a total of 10 points already.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Last season the Flames had 2 wins and 4 OT losses when entering the 3rd period trailing, for a total of 8 points

We already have 4 wins this season when entering the 3rd period trailing, and 2 OT losses, for a total of 10 points already.

In how many games? (for both years)

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

In how many games? (for both years)

The entire last season.

The season to date this season.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

The entire last season.

The season to date this season.

HAHA. How many applicable opportunities?

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Gave Kadri a line to work with and are rolling well for now. They will fade a bit as the season drags on.

Why?


They could also get better.


Kads looks like a totally different player now.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

If the PP gets going, that is a game changer for sure. It's so unsustainably bad right now, that I have to think the pendulum has to swing the other way eventually.

Huberdeau had that good 3 game streak and we definitely need to see more of that. I thought the past 2 games, he looked OK and at least wasn't a liability. He was always a streaky player.

The Flames being dead last in Power Play success at 11.3% is a huge issue:

https://www.statmuse.com/nhl/ask?q=n...2F+2024+season

The Devils are #1 at 32.26%. Imagine what the Flames would like if they had 3x as many Power Play goals.

[dino7c]

Its not that shocking that the team with the worst travel and fewest home games has the worst powerplay

not excusing everything but they have likely had the least practice time in the league and combine that with a new coaching staff

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by blankall

The Flames being dead last in Power Play success at 11.3% is a huge issue:

https://www.statmuse.com/nhl/ask?q=n...2F+2024+season

The Devils are #1 at 32.26%. Imagine what the Flames would like if they had 3x as many Power Play goals.

TBL and VAN have 25 and 24 PP goals, and are net 24 and 23, respectively

The Flames have 8, but are net 4.

On a net basis (factoring shorties against), they have 6 times as many. TBL has 20 more goals, net, in 22 games. Imagine adding a goal per game to the Flames!

[mogg]

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

I realize those two guys have been added and made a huge difference, but how can two rookies make that big of a difference on a team of veterans? And I didn't really get to watch last night aside from last couple mins + OT, but wasn't Zary benched for the 3rd?


This is baffling to me. 17 of 19 skaters are essentially the same.

I don’t think we talk enough about the team having to learn a new system; gotta think that’s part of why they looked so out of synch earlier in the season. It also seems Yegor needed some time to adjust to his new environment, first time being traded and all.

Also I think the ‘benching’ has more to do with shortening the bench in a tight game and using the guys that are going. Last night it was the kids who sat. The flipside is if you are going you’ll be trusted to close out a tight game, even if you’re a rookie with just a handful of NHL games under your belt.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by mogg

I don’t think we talk enough about the team having to learn a new system; gotta think that’s part of why they looked so out of synch earlier in the season. It also seems Yegor needed some time to adjust to his new environment, first time being traded and all.

Also I think the ‘benching’ has more to do with shortening the bench in a tight game and using the guys that are going. Last night it was the kids who sat. The flipside is if you are going you’ll be trusted to close out a tight game, even if you’re a rookie with just a handful of NHL games under your belt.

Definitely.

Early in the season, they were regularly getting hemmed in their end for very long stretches, resulting in a lot of goals against.

They still are somewhat, but if you look at last night's game as an example, the stretches were shorter, and they were kept to the perimeter for the most part, until the Flames broke the cycle and moved up ice.

They have improved their defensive zone coverage immensely, since the beginning of the season. Still not good. But getting much better.

And that is allowing them a lot more time in the offensive zone. And that is leading to growing confidence.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by mogg

I don’t think we talk enough about the team having to learn a new system; gotta think that’s part of why they looked so out of synch earlier in the season. It also seems Yegor needed some time to adjust to his new environment, first time being traded and all.

Also I think the ‘benching’ has more to do with shortening the bench in a tight game and using the guys that are going. Last night it was the kids who sat. The flipside is if you are going you’ll be trusted to close out a tight game, even if you’re a rookie with just a handful of NHL games under your belt.

We talk too much about systems.

This isn’t football.

You try to keep the puck to the outside in the defensive zone and funnel it to the middle in the offensive one. You try to slow them down in the neutral zone, and make it difficult to gain the offensive blue line.

That’s it.

The amount of risk/reward play may vary, and who brings the puck up the ice can fluctuate, but it doesn’t take half a year. If it did, mid-season coaching changes wouldn’t frequently work.

“Learning the system” is generally code for the coach not being able to figure out more fundamental issues.

Look no further than the Glen Gulutzan years, when they were still talking about the system in March.

They’re a collection of solid players with few if any elite talents, and not enough speed (especially among their top dogs).

Only one way to fix that.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

We talk too much about systems.

This isn’t football.

You try to keep the puck to the outside in the defensive zone and funnel it to the middle in the offensive one. You try to slow them down in the neutral zone, and make it difficult to gain the offensive blue line.

That’s it.

The amount of risk/reward play may vary, and who brings the puck up the ice can fluctuate, but it doesn’t take half a year. If it did, mid-season coaching changes wouldn’t frequently work.

“Learning the system” is generally code for the coach not being able to figure out more fundamental issues.

Look no further than the Glen Gulutzan years, when they were still talking about the system in March.

They’re a collection of solid players with few if any elite talents, and not enough speed (especially among their top dogs).

Only one way to fix that.

Understanding the system is one thing (it isn't rocket surgery), but executing it WELL is another. It des take time to do a full conversion

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Understanding the system is one thing (it isn't rocket surgery), but executing it WELL is another. It des take time to do a full conversion

And learning the reads.

When you've played man on man for a few years you have a man and you follow him.

When you switch to zone it takes a lot of communication with fellow teammates. It's not rocket science as you say but it takes a while for athletes at any level to trust each other enough to not leak in and try and help to do their jobs.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Its not that shocking that the team with the worst travel and fewest home games has the worst powerplay

not excusing everything but they have likely had the least practice time in the league and combine that with a new coaching staff

Yeah except the main characters have been there for about a year+

[memphusk]

Was Huberdeau not supposed to be a powerplay specialist? That doesn't help.