[PGT] Flames win 2-1 in OT over Vegas!

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Greer would be 6th on their team for goals. Pospisil would be T6th.

They simply do not understand what depth is. Or the consequences of playing 2 guys all the time - the rest of the team has no chance to contribute, and checks out.

List of Art Ross winners who won the Cup in the last 40 years:

2009 Evgeni Malkin
2004 Martin St. Louis (it was in)
1992 Mario Lemieux
1987 Wayne Gretzky
1985 Wayne Gretzky
1984 Wayne Gretzky

No wonder it's so important to them; it's their blueprint for success.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Dube was good with the motor all night too.

Didn't get a lot done, but was impactful on the rush, forecheck and cycle.

He did completely sewer Ruzicka on a "drop pass" in the offensive zone at one point where Ball (I think) blamed Ruzicka, but Ruzicka didn't have time to do anything with the puck.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Greer would be 6th on their team for goals. Pospisil would be T6th.

They simply do not understand what depth is. Or the consequences of playing 2 guys all the time - the rest of the team has no chance to contribute, and checks out.

They don't seem to understand hockey is a team game. To them there is one team of McDraisaitl responsible only for scoring goals and another team leftovers who are responsible only for preventing goals. From time to time a player can briefly join the goal scoring team, but it's never permanent. All wins are because of the McDavid team and all losses are the fault of he leftovers. Who the hell would be motivated on the leftover team.

Not to mention it's much riskier to have all you offense driven through two players. What if one of them missed a couple months. I think the Flames are much more resistant to injuries given nobody over contributes to any aspects of the game. Not to say the Flames don't have key players, but the Oilers take it to an entirely different level.

For example, the Flames are missing a 3/4 damn in Kylington. Could the Oilers make due if they lost one of their top here dmen for a season? As much as we make fun of their defense, the replacements they have to come in are much worse.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Only caught the highlights, seemed like a fun one. Pretty anti-climactic going to end it after such a goalie duel.

It would be splendid if the Flames could stop gift wrapping opponents grade A chances like they did though, Vladar was a wall. Makes up for last game and then some. Need the offense to step up though, can’t rely on a goalie to let in 1 or less every night.

A defenceman going coast-to-coast and scoring with 4 seconds left in OT is anti-climactic? You must lead a damn exciting life.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

He did completely sewer Ruzicka on a "drop pass" in the offensive zone at one point where Ball (I think) blamed Ruzicka, but Ruzicka didn't have time to do anything with the puck.

Absolutely.

But as someone pointed out all of them made mistakes last night. It was one of those games.

I don't see Dube as a top player by any means.

But last night the motor was at 100%.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

They don't seem to understand hockey is a team game. To them there is one team of McDraisaitl responsible only for scoring goals and another team leftovers who are responsible only for preventing goals. From time to time a player can briefly join the goal scoring team, but it's never permanent. All wins are because of the McDavid team and all losses are the fault of he leftovers. Who the hell would be motivated on the leftover team.

Not to mention it's much riskier to have all you offense driven through two players. What if one of them missed a couple months. I think the Flames are much more resistant to injuries given nobody over contributes to any aspects of the game. Not to say the Flames don't have key players, but the Oilers take it to an entirely different level.

For example, the Flames are missing a 3/4 damn in Kylington. Could the Oilers make due if they lost one of their top here dmen for a season? As much as we make fun of their defense, the replacements they have to come in are much worse.

Edmonton has no depth but has two elite forwards. Calgary has no elite offensive players but has depth. Both teams are deficient. As you say, lack of depth has its risks but not having someone you can count on to score a goal when absolutely needed also carries its own risk.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by MonaTone

All Vladar starts should be surprises to him.

It could be that having no time to prepare aided him but maybe him knowing that it was all on him last night and there was no one to step in if he failed also brought out his best. Maybe that's the difference in mindset from being a backup to being a starter.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Only caught the highlights, seemed like a fun one. Pretty anti-climactic going to end it after such a goalie duel.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

He has been steadily improving, as the season has gone along and he gets more comfortable with his role. He has also been up and down the lineup, and with respect to TOI, which is really tough for consistency.

Here's an interesting stat: This is his production when he gets more than 14 minutes of ice time, vs when he gets less:

More (11 games): 4G, 4A, 8P, .727PPG, 16:36 AVG TOI
Less. (11 games): 1G, 1A, 2P, .182PPG, 11:49 AVG TOI

It's a tale of ice time. Which is a function of how well you're playing, which is a function of confidence and opportunity.

I think the lesson is that, given a top 6 role, he is a top 6 player (yes, small sample size so far, but that's the trend)

Although, you may be able to argue that with better production (assuming that is indicative of better play), he got more ice time.

He definitely seems to have the silkiest of the mitts on the team.

[MillerTime GFG]

Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.


I feel this is bad for the long run of this organization, as it's not like we're a true contender, but man...I find myself rooting for these guys.

How is this the same team from the first couple weeks?! I know it's a new system, but they looked lifeless in the beginning!

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.


I feel this is bad for the long run of this organization, as it's not like we're a true contender, but man...I find myself rooting for these guys.

How is this the same team from the first couple weeks?! I know it's a new system, but they looked lifeless in the beginning!

It’s really not.

Pospisil and Zary coming up has effectively added two top-6 wingers to the roster. Adding those two to the roster allows Huska to roll 4 effective lines, which is huge (and awesome).

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

It’s really not.

Pospisil and Zary coming up has effectively added two top-6 wingers to the roster. Adding those two to the roster allows Huska to roll 4 effective lines, which is huge (and awesome).

Yeah the trickle down effect of adding two top six players is massive. Hope that continues, greatly alters the go forward depth of the team.

[ComixZone]

Oh, Pascall also said that Rooney/Pelletier are on track to be cleared at the end of January/early February. Stajan is going to begin “skating them” today.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Oh, Pascall also said that Rooney/Pelletier are on track to be cleared at the end of January/early February. Stajan is going to begin “skating them” today.

What is Stajan's role? I thought he was with the Hitmen?

[MillerTime GFG]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

It’s really not.

Pospisil and Zary coming up has effectively added two top-6 wingers to the roster. Adding those two to the roster allows Huska to roll 4 effective lines, which is huge (and awesome).

I realize those two guys have been added and made a huge difference, but how can two rookies make that big of a difference on a team of veterans? And I didn't really get to watch last night aside from last couple mins + OT, but wasn't Zary benched for the 3rd?


This is baffling to me. 17 of 19 skaters are essentially the same.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Buff

What is Stajan's role? I thought he was with the Hitmen?

Probably just happens to be in town with the Hitmen and is lending a hand? (Stajan was at the event as well).

[CSharp]

This team has got to have the worst powerplay execution I've seen. However, it's amazing how determined this team is as they've beat 2 very good teams in the past 3 games. It's hard not to cheer this team when they're keeping every game close and actually winning them! GFG!

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

I realize those two guys have been added and made a huge difference, but how can two rookies make that big of a difference on a team of veterans? And I didn't really get to watch last night aside from last couple mins + OT, but wasn't Zary benched for the 3rd?


This is baffling to me. 17 of 19 skaters are essentially the same.

Gave Kadri a line to work with and are rolling well for now. They will fade a bit as the season drags on.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

I realize those two guys have been added and made a huge difference, but how can two rookies make that big of a difference on a team of veterans? And I didn't really get to watch last night aside from last couple mins + OT, but wasn't Zary benched for the 3rd?


This is baffling to me. 17 of 19 skaters are essentially the same.

Confidence.

They started slowly, with new systems and a lot of line juggling. And some cold sticks. But they have steadily started playing better, and their confidence is growing with every game.

The rookie injection helped, but it was far from the only thing.

[D as in David]

There's no doubt that Pospisil and Zary have created a bounce (and a big one, at that) but it also may be that their arrival is coinciding with the team becoming more comfortable with the system(s) implemented this year.