[PGT] There was a 4-1 hockey game I guess

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

There were rumours about the Flames shopping a lot of different guys

Please share where we were shopping Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, Zadorov or others.

You are being intellectually dishonest if you are going to say Conroy didn't pick Tofolli as the player to move.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

That was like the heritage classic in reverse.

When they were "going" early it was all useless effort on the perimeter with no concerted effort to get to the net. Just anemic. No teeth to their attack whatsoever and too shy/soft.

Wolf the victim of bad coverage and some wild bounces.

It's not their year I think.. best to tune out early and save yourself the pain because boy is watching these games when they give anything less than like, 90% effort painful.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Please share where we were shopping Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, Zadorov or others.

You are being intellectually dishonest if you are going to say Conroy didn't pick Tofolli as the player to move.

Picked him as the only player to move? Yeah I don’t think that’s true. I think they tried to move other guys like Hanifin and Vladar at minimum.

[butterfly]

It’s Toffoli and Sharangovich.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Trading Tofolli saved $1.15mln in cap after signing Sharangovic. Trading Dube or Vladar for nothin and replacing with league min makes more than that amount up.

Well, in a world where Toffoli was not traded and Yegor was not signed the Flames would have been at about 1.5 million over. Trading Dube saves them 2.3 million, putting them 800K under. Replacing Dube with Pelletier puts them about 70K over the cap.

Trading Vladar saves them 2.2 million, putting them about 700K under. Replacing Vladar with Wolf’s 813K puts them about 100K over the cap.

So we are back to gutting the defence or trading both those players for nothing.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Picked him as the only player to move? Yeah I don’t think that’s true. I think they tried to move other guys like Hanifin and Vladar at minimum.

Well they told Toffoli (thanks) they weren't going to extend him and kept trying to extend Hanifin, so that seems counter intuitive.

Again going back to my original point. They traded him in June, which I thought showed they were in a rush for some reason, and I think the return was underwhelming.

Trading him at 4.25 and signing Sharangovich for 3.2 makes this only a modest cap gain, which could have been easily accomplished with another move.

I think it was a bad trade.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Well, in a world where Toffoli was not traded and Yegor was not signed the Flames would have been at about 1.5 million over. Trading Dube saves them 2.3 million, putting them 800K under. Replacing Dube with Pelletier puts them about 70K over the cap.

Trading Vladar saves them 2.2 million, putting them about 700K under. Replacing Vladar with Wolf’s 813K puts them about 100K over the cap.

So we are back to gutting the defence or trading both those players for nothing.

Vladar is likely not worth anything and Dube is struggling. Trading those two and having Toffoli right now seems okay to me. And you could trade Toffolli this year as well.

Or trade him in July, August, Sept or early October and still be cap compliant. Rush job and poor return.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Ok on the basis of a single trade you’ve decided that Conroy was a bad choice.
Or more likely you never liked the hire and this is all just confirmation bias

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Well they told Toffoli (thanks) they weren't going to extend him and kept trying to extend Hanifin, so that seems counter intuitive.

Again going back to my original point. They traded him in June, which I thought showed they were in a rush for some reason, and I think the return was underwhelming.

Trading him at 4.25 and signing Sharangovich for 3.2 makes this only a modest cap gain, which could have been easily accomplished with another move.

I think it was a bad trade.

Forgetting about Sharangovich completely, would you trade Suniev straight up for a late 2024 1st? It’s very much open to debate for me.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Huberdeau is the worst contract in the league

Even fellow 10 million dollar guy Jeff Skinner has become a respectable player again who mostly earns his salary.

Huberdeau is like watching Bambi on skates.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Willi Plett

And in the midst of it all. They are changing the system part way into the season to try to get performance out of their highest paid player. Which, to be fair, they have to.

And in the end it will fail because there is no system that actually instructs players to make passes into the opposition's skates, or trying to skate through the opposition with the puck, or standing still on your own blueline while the rest of the team battles to get the puck out of the zone only to have you fall on your ass when they actually get you the puck on a breakout, etc. No system will fix that garbage.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Forgetting about Sharangovich completely, would you trade Suniev straight up for a late 2024 1st? It’s very much open to debate for me.

yeah these complaints will look pretty silly if he continues to develop and Toffoli is...wherever on a bad deal

[Locke]

I hate to harp on the obvious but with a couple of exceptions the only ones bringing it tonight were the youth.

Wolf was outstanding, Posposil never took a shift off, Zary was everywhere.

Huberdeau might as well have stayed at the hotel, Backlund was awful, Lindholm was worse and Kadri...I'll give him credit, he looked like he was trying hard and just getting no joy so I wont be super critical of him on this one.

Dube, Mangiapane? No shows.

Coleman...why is Coleman getting more grit in front of net? Why is Coleman getting chances that our 'more talented' players arent getting sniffs of?

Because when 'Talent doesnt work hard, hard work beats talent.'

Yeah, it was a back-to-back, but if you want to be signing a bunch of guys at the tail-end of their 20s and/or on the wrong side of 30 you'd better expect that the second night of a back-to-back is going to be tough. You cant just forfeit it.

Frustrating as hell.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Ok on the basis of a single trade you’ve decided that Conroy was a bad choice.
Or more likely you never liked the hire and this is all just confirmation bias

It's possible that I can not like the hire and also have an honest belief this was a bad trade. I did also say that I liked Conroy making room for younger players, so I am giving him support for what I think he is doing well.

It seems you are more the one who doesn't want any sort of complaints about Conroy or Huska.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I think it’s reasonable that they be given an actual chance

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Forgetting about Sharangovich completely, would you trade Suniev straight up for a late 2024 1st? It’s very much open to debate for me.

I don't know enough to comment on that. Both Suniev and who is looking to be available in late 2024.

But if you are looking at it in June 2023 the late first in 2024 is more valuable than a third in 2023.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I really want to ship all these vets out just because how they represent the crest on the jersey each night is embarrassing.

You can't tell me Hanifin, Lindholm and Huberdeau don't have more in the tank if they were told they have to crash the net to receive their next paycheques.

These guys want to sacrifice as little as possible in order to just get through the year here.

And we tell the guys that want to play here to step aside and wait their turns? Wrong priorities.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

I don't know enough to comment on that. Both Suniev and who is looking to be available in late 2024.

But if you are looking at it in June 2023 the late first in 2024 is more valuable than a third in 2023.

That draft was loaded and pushed second round prospects to the third round. 4 goals in 9 NCAA games.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think it’s reasonable that they be given an actual chance

Well the send me a PM when it has been long enough and you deem it acceptable for me to comment on specific actions taken by both Huska and Conroy that I either like or dislike.

Saying I don't think Huska is a good coach and then listing two things I thought Conroy flubbed and one hing he has done which I liked is hardly running them out of town with a pitchfork like you seem to think.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by dino7c

yeah these complaints will look pretty silly if he continues to develop and Toffoli is...wherever on a bad deal

I mean that would be amazing if he is unreal and I look stupid. Sign me up for that.

But it's also possible he never plays an NHL game.