[PGT] There was a 4-1 hockey game I guess

[dino7c]

Cammalleri comes to mind

[Willi Plett]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

My math is correct. If you add 1.15 million to a team that has zero dollars in cap space they would have been over the cap. Since you think they should have kept Toffoli who should they have traded in the off-season? Or should they have been over the cap? They also thought they would have had Kylington so that adds another 1.8 million or so, so they would have been about 3 million over the cap.

Well, first problem is he asked to be traded.

But, if he had wanted to stay, Hanifin asked to be traded but is mysteriously still here.

The general state of the team baffles me more and more.

New GM. Hires coach who was part of the previous regime that had lost the players and had several not wanting to stay. There was an up-and-coming coach with our AHL team who was highly coveted around the league. Armchair me is thinking we really need to go outside the current group and bring in someone fresh. Brunette seems like the obvious choice but don’t really want to lose Mitch Love… meh we’ll just keep mediocre coach with ties to the former issues.

5 UFAs. GM “not going to make the same mistakes”. Well, as summer progresses, it’s harder and harder to make a move. We enter the season with a rookie coach, massive contract distractions, and at least one player who has asked to be traded. What could go wrong?

Hanifin wants to be traded. We continue to try to extend. Season isn’t going well and all talks are halted. Lindholm similar minus trade request. Report says Tanev was insulted by the offer made to him. So what would any of them care about the Calgary Flames? They’re out the door in their minds.

Zadorov plays well, is accountable and tries to get teammates going.. Tells the team, I like this city and I want to extend. “Nah, we aren’t interested “

Backlund did re-sign on a 2 year deal. On what premise? That we are trying hard to re-sign x, y, and z.

So your no 2,3,4 D and 1, maybe 2 of your top centers are how invested in the team?

Not sure the system matters when a quarter of the team has checked out.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by dino7c

So if they kept him they would have what? one more win right now? two?

he would still be a UFA you have to move

it would be different if it was a 24 year old leading scorer

My original point was hey rushed to trade him. Maybe they hold on and trade him during pre-season, maybe he starts with the team when hey realize Kylington won't play.

Deleted the silk part, that was in response to someone else.

I didn't want to keep Tofolli because would would be a contender. I think hey would have got a better return if hey waited.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

I must be reading this incorrectly then. Regardless, I'm sticking with they should have traded someone other than their leading scorer.

But who? Lindholm? Hanifin? Backlund?

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Talking about whether Huska is a good coach or not is a bit confusing to me.



Do we have a good team here? Do we believe that Sutter was really a terrible coach (ignoring his coaching record) and think that Huska was somehow going to turn this team into a well-oiled machine?


This is what I more or less expected. I absolutely did vote: "Win the cup this year" since that's what I always pick in such polls, but I have wanted a rebuild for a couple of years now because I don't think this team has 'got it'. This is what it looks like when a team doesn't have it - they don't look like a really good functional group.


They are a mish-mash of parts. That's what it is. Gaudreau-Monahan-Tkachuk-Bennett-Brodie-Giordano-Backlund ---- That was a good core that needed MORE pieces and a bit more time. Hartley had a tonne of warts, but he was a great development coach. Didn't like him, that's fine. The priority should have been to find an experienced coach to guide that team up the hill and make sure all the pieces are being properly developed, and continue drafting a core. The work was incomplete. It stayed incomplete.



Now you have a mish-mash of parts. Huberdeau is on his second bad season. Most of the lines don't show chemistry. The PP is terrible even though Marc Savard is in charge of it. The breakout is bad. Defending is bad. Goaltending is often spotty (but better than last season!!). The offensive game is lacking.



This is a small, soft, and complete mish-mash of pieces that don't fit, but we are going to point the finger at Huska? I don't get it. I think if you brought Scotty Bowman in his prime to coach this team, or Al Arbour, or anyone you want past or present, they would probably get more out of this roster, but it still wouldn't be a great team. It would continue being a bubble team - maybe they squeak in, maybe they just miss like last season, but this team on paper is not a good team.


This collection of players that they have just doesn't work. It doesn't mean that this collection of players all suck. It just doesn't work and will never work. I don't blame Huska one bit. I don't blame Conroy either. I blame Treliving for assembling this, and I blame the players themselves the most for being more concerned about their paydays than they are about winning hockey games.

I think it’s fair to debate whether Huska is a good coach or not but what upsets people is that there were better options available. Like you said though, would it really matter with this group?

[Willi Plett]

And in the midst of it all. They are changing the system part way into the season to try to get performance out of their highest paid player. Which, to be fair, they have to.

[FanIn80]

Probably not the hottest of takes, but it feels like this could've been a much better season with Kylington in the lineup... and a Coronato, Zary, Pelletier line from game one... and Wolf in the starter's net.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by dino7c

So if they kept him they would have what? one more win right now? two?

he would still be a UFA you have to move

it would be different if it was a 24 year old leading scorer

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

But who? Lindholm? Hanifin? Backlund?

Could have no re-signed Backlund. Could have traded Dube, Hanifin, Zadorov, Tanev, Vladar. Lots of options.

[dino7c]

alright, I'm just not sure there was much more value out there for Toffoli even if they waited. The issue is he is an older upcoming UFA, extending him is risky for whoever

I guess we will never know

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

My original point was hey rushed to trade him. Maybe they hold on and trade him during pre-season, maybe he starts with the team when hey realize Kylington won't play.

Deleted the silk part, that was in response to someone else.

I didn't want to keep Tofolli because would would be a contender. I think hey would have got a better return if hey waited.

How much better?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Could have no re-signed Backlund. Could have traded Dube, Hanifin, Zadorov, Tanev, Vladar. Lots of options.

Perhaps they didn’t because the deals weren’t good enough

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

How much better?

I think if you kept him this year and traded him at max retention to a contender you are talking a late first round pick.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Could have no re-signed Backlund. Could have traded Dube, Hanifin, Zadorov, Tanev, Vladar. Lots of options.

Backlund was already signed. So his re-signing does not affect the situation.

Assuming a healthy Kylington and Rooney (which probably would have been prudent to do) neither Dube or Vladar get you to a position where you are cap compliant. Both would though and you could have a situation where Wolf plays 25 games this year.

I suppose it is possible to go into the year with Gilbert as your full time number 6 and DeSimone as your full time 7th dman. So I guess you trade one of the dmen and hope that you do not get any injuries on defence for the rest of the year.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

I think if you kept him this year and traded him at max retention to a contender you are talking a late first round pick.

that's a guess

assuming he is scoring, doesn't get injured, ect.

he also wanted a trade...

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Perhaps they didn’t because the deals weren’t good enough

Well Backlund was free to let go. And I'm sure there would have been smoke if the Flames were out there shopping all those guys.

Conroy picked who to trade and AI think it was a bad decision and poor asset management.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Well Backlund was free to let go. And I'm sure there would have been smoke if the Flames were out there shopping all those guys.

Conroy picked who to trade and AI think it was a bad decision and poor asset management.

Backlund was signed for this season

years ago

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by dino7c

that's a guess

assuming he is scoring, doesn't get injured, ect.

he also wanted a trade...

He asked me for my opinion, which has to be a guess. But I don't think I went crazy with a late first rounder.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Backlund was signed for this season

years ago

My bad, too many conversations going on.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Well Backlund was free to let go. And I'm sure there would have been smoke if the Flames were out there shopping all those guys.

Conroy picked who to trade and AI think it was a bad decision and poor asset management.

There were rumours about the Flames shopping a lot of different guys

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Backlund was already signed. So his re-signing does not affect the situation.

Assuming a healthy Kylington and Rooney (which probably would have been prudent to do) neither Dube or Vladar get you to a position where you are cap compliant. Both would though and you could have a situation where Wolf plays 25 games this year.

I suppose it is possible to go into the year with Gilbert as your full time number 6 and DeSimone as your full time 7th dman. So I guess you trade one of the dmen and hope that you do not get any injuries on defence for the rest of the year.

Trading Tofolli saved $1.15mln in cap after signing Sharangovic. Trading Dube or Vladar for nothin and replacing with league min makes more than that amount up.