[Rumour] LeBrun: All signs point to Hanifin not wanting to extend with Flames

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

While I expect Connie needs to know before the draft what players intentions are, I fully expect some of the players who are not signing to be traded after the draft.

I assume many teams will be reluctant to trade 2023 picks, and it’s possible those teams may miss out. But I think the market for our top players like Lindholm and Hanifin will be better post-draft, if required.

Everyone pretty much is in a cap crunch, and getting a player in this draft that can possibly play this year or even next year may be too hard to pass up on.

But like with all things, time will tell.

The three biggest trade chips will go at the draft. The rest they'll have to dance a little in terms of offseason trades or deadline decisions.

I can't see Conny not capitalizing on this very deep draft if he has to move any of Toffoli, Lindholm or Hanifin. He's a draft nerd. I believe he knows this is likely the best time to maximize asset management.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Historically the return is always the best at the draft.

The other thing the Flames need to do is being open to take a contract back.

For example let's say Detroit is really interesting in Hanifin, and would move 9th overall. But need the Flames to take $3M of Olli Matta to do so...then 100% the Flames should do that.

You can help teams alleviate the cap crunch by taking a player for them, and generally you open up the market and get a better return if you're willing to do that.

Yup, add someone like Zadina in there too as far as Detroit goes.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Yup, add someone like Zadina in there too as far as Detroit goes.

If Detroit was to target someone on the Flames it should be Lindholm over Hanifin. They are set on d and their forwards could be an issue.

Zadina would be a good target with high end picks

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dammage79

The three biggest trade chips will go at the draft. The rest they'll have to dance a little in terms of offseason trades or deadline decisions.

I can't see Conny not capitalizing on this very deep draft if he has to move any of Toffoli, Lindholm or Hanifin. He's a draft nerd. I believe he knows this is likely the best time to maximize asset management.

I have doubt that’s what he’ll try and do.

I’m just not so certain other teams will comply, especially if teams sense he’s anxious to pull the trigger prior to the draft.

It takes two teams to make a trade. Yes, Calgary wants to take advantage of a deep draft. Other teams are just as anxious to keep those early picks in this draft.

[Vinny01]

Listening to Friedman on with Pat he confirmed with all the chatter he is hearing Hanifin is definitely going to be available for trade. He said no one in Calgary will confirm it but from what he has heard from others he is definitely available

[Hockey_Ninja]

Why do I feel like a deal involving Hanifin for Nylander isn't as far fetched as I thought it'd be?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Bonded

They;d get Lindholm for that offer

I thought this was the trade speculation and rumors thread. I meant that offer for Lindholm!

[Royle9]

I don’t see Nylander as a guy who “wants to be here” in terms of long term in Calgary.
Just don’t see it happening as much as it seems like a natural fit.

[Murph]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Why do I feel like a deal involving Hanifin for Nylander isn't as far fetched as I thought it'd be?

Huberdeau - Lindholm - Nylander

Insert Homer drooling gif…

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Why do I feel like a deal involving Hanifin for Nylander isn't as far fetched as I thought it'd be?

Trade value definitely there, but I doubt Calgary is that interested in getting a UFA to be.

Trades of Lindholm and/or Hanifin need to bring back younger players with more control, as there should be sufficient demand for those players that the Flames can get those types of assets, although do to the tight cap everywhere, they may need to take back some bad cap.

[bluejays]

I have no problem dealing Noah. Especially if he wants a 7 or 8 year deal. He's not the #1 on a championship teams. Realistically he's a good #2 or #3, so why should he get a long term franchise deal? If the Flames can rid themselves of 2 of Markstrom, Coleman or Kadri, I wouldn't mind signing Noah to a 5 year deal but anything more I'm just reluctant. Too many non-core pieces not performing to expectations already locked into long term deals is making me skeptical of wanting another one added to the list.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I have no problem dealing Noah. Especially if he wants a 7 or 8 year deal. He's not the #1 on a championship teams. Realistically he's a good #2 or #3, so why should he get a long term franchise deal? If the Flames can rid themselves of 2 of Markstrom, Coleman or Kadri, I wouldn't mind signing Noah to a 5 year deal but anything more I'm just reluctant. Too many non-core pieces not performing to expectations already locked into long term deals is making me skeptical of wanting another one added to the list.

Zero chance he accepts a 5-year deal. Lots of dmen below the 1 standard get 7-8 year deals, look at Seversen.

I doubt the flames get rid of 2 of those 3 guys since they are likely not shopping any of them. They are likely shopping 7 UFA’s to be to at least assess their trade value, while also in some cases discussing possible contract terms.

[Brick]

If Hanifin leaves, it will be a big hole to fill. He logs a lot of minutes, sort of like Brodie did.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Brick

If Hanifin leaves, it will be a big hole to fill. He logs a lot of minutes, sort of like Brodie did.

And yet, we managed to fill those minutes, did we not?

What you have to think about is whether or not Hanifin is "the guy" to lead a team in the playoffs, or at least make a significant impact. Those are the guys you give long-term contracts to. Everyone else is just a good asset that you can move for good value.

Build up asset capital, strike when the iron is hot. This is the way.

[CFO]

Most D core can only have 2 players above 6 or so million.

Weegar and Anderson.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Listening to Friedman on with Pat he confirmed with all the chatter he is hearing Hanifin is definitely going to be available for trade. He said no one in Calgary will confirm it but from what he has heard from others he is definitely available

To be clear; Friedman did not use the word ‘definitely’.

He said ‘there’s a feeling out there Hanifin is going to be available’. He went on to say he thinks Hanifin will be available.

[stemit14]

I’m looking at teams that may be looking for a defenceman like Hanifin and are not in the “scorched earth” phase of a rebuild. This is a list of the top 2023 picks that these teams may/may not consider trading for a player like Hanifin assuming he was willing to sign an extension with that team. I’m not including picks that I believe are untouchable (for example, 5th overall for Montreal).

This list shows what teams have enough draft capital to make 2023 pick(s) the centrepiece of a Hanifin trade and which ones do not and would, therefore, likely need to include young, A-level prospect/player instead as the centrepiece (for example: LA, Long Island, New Jersey, Dallas, and Florida). I’m sure most of the teams listed below are not after Hanifin at all… I included them even if the odds of them going after Hanifin are slight.

-Montreal: 31st overall; 37th overall.
-Washington: 8th overall; 104th overall.
-Detroit: 9th overall; 17th overall; 41st overall; 42nd overall; 43rd overall.
-St. Louis: 10th overall; 25th overall; 29th overall.
-Buffalo: 13th overall; 38th overall; 45th overall.
-Pittsburgh: 14th overall; 90th overall.
-Nashville: 15th overall; 24th overall; 46th overall; 47th overall.
-Winnipeg: 18th overall; 82nd overall.
-Seattle: 20th overall; 50th overall; 52bd overall; 57th overall.
-Minnesota: 21st overall; 53rd overall; 64th overall.
-New York: 23rd overall; 91st overall.
-Toronto: 28th overall; 153rd overall.
-Vegas: 32nd overall; 77th overall.
-Carolina: 30th overall; 62nd overall.
-Long Island: 49th overall; 113th overall.
-Los Angeles: 54th overall; 78th overall.
-New Jersey: 58th overall; 80th overall.
-Dallas: 61st overall; 125th overall.
-Florida: 63rd overall; 127th overall.


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[Vinny01]

Detroit is definitely poised to make some moves at the draft with that collection of picks. Hanifin, Debrincat, or someone else but I think they will use some of those picks for an impact player

[stemit14]

When I look at the picks teams have in that list above, I think the teams that fit the best as a trade partner for Calgary are Detroit, St. Louis and Buffalo. They all have multiple picks in the first/second rounds so they can afford to trade one or two. They all could use a defenseman like Hanifin. They are all on the upswing of their rebuilds (or retools in the case of St. Louis). An extended Hanifin would be an effective player both now and when they are hoping to be contenders in 3-4 years.

While their may be other teams that want/need Hanifin more than Detroit, St. Louis and Buffalo… I think those 3 teams could out-bid the other teams while still retaining good prospects/picks on their teams.

I think Detroit could also be a good trade partner for Lindholm if they don’t want Hanifin.

Would be pretty crazy if Conroy came out of this draft with 3 picks in the top 20.


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[Remember1989]

Is this an appropriate time and place to winge about losing Valimaki for nothing? I’d be even more comfortable in moving Hanifin in a world where we still had Val.