[Trade] OEL(12% ret), Garland to VAN for Beagle, Eriksson, Roussel, 9th OA, 2022 2nd, 7th - Page 15 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

djsFlames · 07-23-2021, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Barca

that top 9 is a playoff team... especially in our division.

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Originally Posted by Barca

I don't know why the overreaction? the Canucks got rid of 3 immovable contracts that isn't helping us whatsoever, for a top 6 forward and a former top defenceman who could easily bounce back.

apparently Canuck players are excited with this deal.

rag on JB all you want, he did exactly what he said he would do. Acquire a 3rd line center (Dickinson) top 6 forward (Garland) and a top 4 defenceman in OEL.

The Canucks are also moving Holtby and Schmidt and a possible Virtanen buyout to create more cap space too.

Miller - Pettersson - Boeser
Hoglander - Horvat - Garland
Pearson - Dickinson - Podkolzin
Motte - Highmore - MacEwen

Hughes - OEL
Rathbone - Myers
Juolevi - Hamonic??

that is a solid lineup SO FAR, JB is not done yet.

Wait, that third line is supposed to be good (top 9)?

And I sure as hell hope JB isn't done yet!

Edit: and wow that first pairing is going to bleed goals out the wazoo. Hughes was minus-what, last year? And OEL is a huge liability in a larger role.. to be paired with defense-Neal?

Jiri Hrdina · 07-23-2021, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

I did see an analysis (Bader??) suggesting Podkolzin has been downgraded in projection from a top six to a "will play" prospect.

He consistently has had a lack of offensive production. But he did have a helluva KHL playoff.
I don't what he is at the NHL level.

Cappy · 07-23-2021, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMike

Holy crap. Benning gets one huge get out of jail free card if this is true.

That OEL deal ain't great though. This isn't so much a "get out of jail free" as much as it's "get out of jail on bail while you await the inevitable dismissal of your appeal" card

Aarongavey · 07-23-2021, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by d_phaneuf

Minuscule maybe the wrong word, but garland is really good

If he wasnt in arizona he would be very well known

https://theathletic.com/1798463/2020...-a-draft-pick/

That has the 9th pick as worth 6.3 gsva

Garland is projected to be much higher

Hopefully Jim gives him 6 million a year.

Barca · 07-23-2021, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I will always rely on the blind hope of "could easily bounce back" whenever the Flames acquire or have a player who has slid backwards... but it's still funny to hear other fans use it as justification.

I think playing in a hockey mad market with good players around him is a recipe for a bounce back.

Now I'm not expecting him to be a norris defenceman or anything but basically a more mobile younger Edler with offence.

Blaster86 · 07-23-2021, 04:06 PM

I am more optimistic than HFboards and Twitter but less optimistic than Barca.

Barca · 07-23-2021, 04:08 PM

https://twitter.com/user/status/1418688038486507524

we have our on Connor.

dino7c · 07-23-2021, 04:09 PM

If you trade a top ten pick you should be getting a star back

Before I even opened this thread I knew which 3 posters would be defending it

dissentowner · 07-23-2021, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Barca

I don't know why the overreaction? the Canucks got rid of 3 immovable contracts that isn't helping us whatsoever, for a top 6 forward and a former top defenceman who could easily bounce back.

apparently Canuck players are excited with this deal.

rag on JB all you want, he did exactly what he said he would do. Acquire a 3rd line center (Dickinson) top 6 forward (Garland) and a top 4 defenceman in OEL.

The Canucks are also moving Holtby and Schmidt and a possible Virtanen buyout to create more cap space too.

Miller - Pettersson - Boeser
Hoglander - Horvat - Garland
Pearson - Dickinson - Podkolzin
Motte - Highmore - MacEwen

Hughes - OEL
Rathbone - Myers
Juolevi - Hamonic??

that is a solid lineup SO FAR, JB is not done yet.

Given that both Pettersson and Boeser are bound to miss time due to injury this looks like a solid lineup for a lottery pick.

PepsiFree · 07-23-2021, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Blaster86

I am more optimistic than HFboards and Twitter but less optimistic than Barca.

Honey, you better come get your man:

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Originally Posted by Barca

we have our on Connor.

Barca · 07-23-2021, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

Wait, that third line is supposed to be good (top 9)?

And I sure as hell hope JB isn't done yet!

Edit: and wow that first pairing is going to bleed goals out the wazoo. Hughes was minus-what, last year? And OEL is a huge liability in a larger role.. to be paired with defense-Neal?

I don't think you know who Jason Dickinson is, he's a really good 2way shutdown center. Pearson was on our 2nd line last season, is getting bumped down where he belongs in the 3rd. Then you add in Podkolzin who is also a 2way forward and you've got potentially a good matchup line.

cannon7 · 07-23-2021, 04:13 PM

A Hughes-Ekman-Larsson paring is going to be a thing to behold... for all the wrong reasons.

Blaster86 · 07-23-2021, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Honey, you better come get your man:

Well he isn't wrong. He is a guy named Connor.

CorsiHockeyLeague · 07-23-2021, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

I did see an analysis (Bader??) suggesting Podkolzin has been downgraded in projection from a top six to a "will play" prospect.

He was pretty impressive in the KHL playoffs, but yeah, who the hell knows when you bring a guy across the Atlantic. Could really go either way.

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Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I would keep him, the Canucks have 22.3 million to sign Hughes, Pettersson, Garland along with 2 more dmen and 2 more forwards.

Yep. I just tried putting together a roster on Capfriendly. If you assume they buy out Holtby and Virtanen, sign Dickinson for 2.8, Garland for 4.5, Juolevi for 1, and then fill out their roster to 21 players using the cheapest guys available (all sub-$1M deals for younger players, including Podkolzin) then they have just over $12M left to sign both Pettersson and Hughes.

And those are some pretty optimistic contract numbers.

Jordan! · 07-23-2021, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Barca

https://twitter.com/user/status/1418688038486507524

we have our on Connor.

Or be the next Mikel Boedker. Lol

Vanish into the abyss..

I cannot believe any team actually took on OEL’s contract. Absolutely gobsmacked.

Barca · 07-23-2021, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Given that both Pettersson and Boeser are bound to miss time due to injury this looks like a solid lineup for a lottery pick.

you should worry about Tanev more. He's riding a healthy streak, but with Gio gone, you guys cannot afford to lose Tanev for a period of time.

Galakanokis · 07-23-2021, 04:15 PM

Garland is an excellent player and will put up good numbers in Vancouver. They paid a pretty hefty price to get him and out from under those other contracts.

The defense did not improve and may get worse with Schmidt out the door.

Jiri Hrdina · 07-23-2021, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordan!

I cannot believe any team actually took on OEL’s contract. Absolutely gobsmacked.

I'm just relieved it wasn't Calgary.
Two long-standing rumors can be put to bed today
Ristolainen to Calgary
OEL to Calgary

Since1984 · 07-23-2021, 04:15 PM

I am just happy that Vancouver won't be able to add Kent Johnson to their forward group!

Meers · 07-23-2021, 04:19 PM

Hard to say whether this deal or the Ristolainen deal was more laughable.