[Trade] OEL(12% ret), Garland to VAN for Beagle, Eriksson, Roussel, 9th OA, 2022 2nd, 7th - Page 14 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Icantwhisper · 07-23-2021, 03:57 PM

Although OEL is trending down, I think he gets a lot less exposed on Vancouver, they don't need him to play 22-25 mins a night. If he plays like Edler of 3-4 years ago I think Vancouver is okay with that

Barca · 07-23-2021, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames trade their firsts for stars like Hamilton not OEL and Judy Garland

ok and?

The Cobra · 07-23-2021, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Barca

I don't know why the overreaction? the Canucks got rid of 3 immovable contracts that isn't helping us whatsoever, for a top 6 forward and a former top defenceman who could easily bounce back.

apparently Canuck players are excited with this deal.

rag on JB all you want, he did exactly what he said he would do. Acquire a 3rd line center (Dickinson) top 6 forward (Garland) and a top 4 defenceman in OEL.

The Canucks are also moving Holtby and Schmidt and a possible Virtanen buyout to create more cap space too.

Miller - Pettersson - Boeser
Hoglander - Horvat - Garland
Pearson - Dickinson - Podkolzin
Motte - Highmore - MacEwen

Hughes - OEL
Rathbone - Myers
Juolevi - Hamonic??

that is a solid lineup SO FAR, JB is not done yet.

A dman who could easily bounce back?

I can be convinced that OEL might be better in Vancouver than Arizona, but you are hoping a 30+ player will bounce back after 3 really bad seasons.

At best you'll get a 1 year dead cat bounce.

And that's a terrible defensive dman core.

Bingo · 07-23-2021, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Barca

I don't know why the overreaction? the Canucks got rid of 3 immovable contracts that isn't helping us whatsoever, for a top 6 forward and a former top defenceman who could easily bounce back.

If that's the way it works sure.

But what if OEL just declines as he has for the next six years.

You could have been out of jail in 11 months, selected 9th this year, and had your second rounder next year.

Aarongavey · 07-23-2021, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by d_phaneuf

Is there?

I dont even think they need to trade him this year, can hold him for another year because of the money saved this year on this deal

He wasnt bad last year, he was a top 4 d man, his counting stats went down because he didnt get pp time

I would keep him, the Canucks have 22.3 million to sign Hughes, Pettersson, Garland along with 2 more dmen and 2 more forwards.

AustinL_NHL · 07-23-2021, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

I did see an analysis (Bader??) suggesting Podkolzin has been downgraded in projection from a top six to a "will play" prospect.

I think that was likely Scott Wheeler from TheAthletic and not Bader, as I know Wheeler (or maybe it's Pronman) uses that language in their prospect rankings

The Cobra · 07-23-2021, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

Although OEL is trending down, I think he gets a lot less exposed on Vancouver, they don't need him to play 22-25 mins a night. If he plays like Edler of 3-4 years ago I think Vancouver is okay with that

Who is playing those tough minutes then?

Hughes? Myers? C'mon.

Barca · 07-23-2021, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

Although OEL is trending down, I think he gets a lot less exposed on Vancouver, they don't need him to play 22-25 mins a night. If he plays like Edler of 3-4 years ago I think Vancouver is okay with that

I think he will be rejuvenated.

he has Petey, Miller, Bo, Garland, Boeser, Hughes, Pod to play with.

GioforPM · 07-23-2021, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by d_phaneuf

Ya I dont get that complaint though when the chances of those picks turning into miller or Garland are so minuscule

Who are: Michael Rasmussen, Mikhail Sergachev, Timo Meier, Nick Ehlers, Bo Horvat, Dougie Hamilton, Jacob Trouba, Michael Granlund, Josh Bailey, Logan Couture?

Why, they are the 9th overall picks between 2007-2017.

Barca · 07-23-2021, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Cobra

Who is playing those tough minutes then?

Hughes? Myers? C'mon.

the off season barely started.

PepsiFree · 07-23-2021, 03:59 PM

I will always rely on the blind hope of "could easily bounce back" whenever the Flames acquire or have a player who has slid backwards... but it's still funny to hear other fans use it as justification.

topfiverecords · 07-23-2021, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Arizona is having a wicked offseason.

OUT:
Conor Garland
OEL (1m retained)

IN:
2021 pick 9
2021 2nd
2022 2nd
2022 2nd
2022 2nd
Cond. 2023 3rd
2022 7th
2023 7th
Shayne Gostisbehere
Antoine Roussel
Andrew Ladd
Loui Eriksson
Jay Beagle

They took on a few short-term bad contracts, added a really interesting player in Gostisbehere, retained $1m on the awful OEL deal they desperately needed to move, traded a guy in Garland who was at odds on a contract...

... And added a flat-out ridiculous number of draft picks.

And this should guide them to a high chance at #1 overall next year.

djsFlames · 07-23-2021, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Barca

damage control? lol Canuck fans are ecstatic we got a GM to take on 3 of our deadweights for NHL players.

At the cost of 9th overall, 2nd rounder, 7th rounder and 7 million tied up for 6 years.

Congrats on upgrading to NHL players. If only you were anywhere near a Garland away from doing anything meaningful.

Looking forward to watching the tire fires to the north and west of us long term.

Barca · 07-23-2021, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Who are: Michael Rasmussen, Mikhail Sergachev, Timo Meier, Nick Ehlers, Bo Horvat, Dougie Hamilton, Jacob Trouba, Michael Granlund, Josh Bailey, Logan Couture?

Why, they are the 9th overall picks between 2007-2017.

the 9th doesn't help us right now though? at some point you gotta make the next step. We have our young core set, the Canucks are surrounding them with good players.

Enoch Root · 07-23-2021, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Barca

I think he will be rejuvenated.

he has Petey, Miller, Bo, Garland, Boeser, Hughes, Pod to play with.

Good lord. Do you need a napkin for your chin?

Barca · 07-23-2021, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

At the cost of 9th overall, 2nd rounder, 7th rounder and 7 million tied up for 6 years.

Congrats on upgrading to NHL players. If only you were anywhere near a Garland away from doing anything meaningful.

Looking forward to watching the tire fires to the north and west of us long term.

that top 9 is a playoff team... especially in our division.

topfiverecords · 07-23-2021, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

That would be +8 in draft picks alone... in a couple day period... by one team... by Bingo's counting method.

Bingo Bango Bongo eight new picks

Bonded · 07-23-2021, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Good lord. Do you need a napkin for your chin?

Meh, let the guy dream. He can post here until the Canucks suck again and disappear until the next offseason.

d_phaneuf · 07-23-2021, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You think the chances of the 9th overall turning into Garland are miniscule?

Minuscule maybe the wrong word, but garland is really good

If he wasnt in arizona he would be very well known

https://theathletic.com/1798463/2020...-a-draft-pick/

That has the 9th pick as worth 6.3 gsva

Garland is projected to be much higher

GioforPM · 07-23-2021, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Barca

that top 9 is a playoff team... especially in our division.

wait - you missed the POs because you didn't have Connor Garland?