[Trade] Flames trade Frolik to Buffalo for a 2020 4th

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

IMO Treliving should be looking for another guy in need of a change of scenery for Jankowski.

There are tons of candidates around the league and I'm sure other teams would view Jankowski as a guy with the potential to rebound. You might even be able to get one of these guys plus a low pick.

I can see any of the following guys as targets:

- Evan Rodrigues, Sabres
- Michael Dal Colle, Islanders
- Brendan Perlini, Red Wings
- Nic Petan, Maple Leafs
- Devin Shore, Ducks
- Drake Caggiula, Blackhawks

I don’t see the Flames making a deal for another young underachiever. I truly think Treliving is trying to get a legit improvement and will use Jankowski, Bennett, Brodie, Hamonic, and draft picks as the pieces he is willing to dangle. Likely a right wing that can play with Monahan and Gaudreau long term and Backlund slides into the third line center spot.

Personally I would like the Flames to upgrade on both top 6 RW spots and have Mangipane be part of the Backlund lead third line. Realistically I can only assume they will upgrade on one of those spots.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Hopefully if Frolik gets a bunch of ice time and the points start coming, no one here will complain, because he’d never be getting those minutes here.

I've always liked Frolik as a player, but he just doesn't have the hands to become any more than a .5 PPG player going forward.

I love him as a complimentary piece, he's as good as they come as a defensive conscious guy.

But his 2nd assist rate was pretty high in Calgary when compared to his 1st assist rates. Calgary top six guys all have more 1st assists than 2nd assists with the exception of Lindholm.

That isn't to take anything away from the player. He gets the puck out of his own zone, and keeps the play going in the opposition zone, but when it comes to the skill plays that result in a goal he's more of a support player than an active participant.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

IMO Treliving should be looking for another guy in need of a change of scenery for Jankowski.

There are tons of candidates around the league and I'm sure other teams would view Jankowski as a guy with the potential to rebound. You might even be able to get one of these guys plus a low pick.

I can see any of the following guys as targets:

- Evan Rodrigues, Sabres
- Michael Dal Colle, Islanders
- Brendan Perlini, Red Wings
- Nic Petan, Maple Leafs
- Devin Shore, Ducks
- Drake Caggiula, Blackhawks

Not to all of the above, especially if they cost you anything. This is a team that has plenty of undersized underperforming players. No need to make trades for any more.

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

What's wrong with Caggiula? If anything he'd be one of the top guys I'd target. He has speed and has scored goals in this league. Only real knock on him is that he gets injured a fair bit.

He's small, injury prone, and is as tweener as you get. The Flames would be better off calling up Czarnik.

[GirlySports]

Olofsson is out 6-8 weeks so Frolik will get minutes.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Olofsson is out 6-8 weeks so Frolik will get minutes.

Skinner also out til close to the end of the month, so yeah Fro will get lots of ice.

I expect he does well in Buffalo.

[Sylvanfan]

Frolik was fine as a #6 forward for most of his time here. The Flames problem is that they do not have a high end #1 and they really only go 4 deep up front. So trying to fit two guys who are borderline into that role was too much. Especially since you have a top line that needs to be sheltered

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by New Era

Not to all of the above, especially if they cost you anything. This is a team that has plenty of undersized underperforming players. No need to make trades for any more.



He's small, injury prone, and is as tweener as you get. The Flames would be better off calling up Czarnik.

Scorpion specifically said the cost would be Jankowski. So it's a 1 for 1 to get someone with lower cap hit (and outside chance of filling a middle six RW need).

I'm fine with keeping Janko, even on his QO, though I'd rather try to get a 2x or 3x 1.075 deal instead.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I will be shocked if Treliving gets a 2nd round pick, much less more, for a guy with zero goals, 1 assist and minus 12 through 34 games. To go along with a good number of healthy scratches.

Jankowski is worth nowhere near a second IMO.

Potential is also worth something.

Or how do you explain a 2nd for Lazar?

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Potential is also worth something.

Or how do you explain a 2nd for Lazar?

That was a bad trade from the moment it was made.

Jankowski for a 2nd would be in the same boat for whichever team acquired him. He is worth much less.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

That was a bad trade from the moment it was made.

Jankowski for a 2nd would be in the same boat for whichever team acquired him. He is worth much less.

How about Reto Berra? Lemme guess also not worth a 2nd?

How about David Rundblad being traded for a 1st?

You think it would be an overpayment. A GM who thinks Jankowski has 2nd/3rd line potential with a change of scenery would probably be quite willing to risk a 2nd.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Potential is also worth something.

Or how do you explain a 2nd for Lazar?

Lazar had just turned 21 a year before.

So far two of the next 40 players taken (2017 - #47 pick traded for Lazar - #86) have played >30 games. (obviously far too early to evaluate).

It turned out to be a bad trade, but the odds of Lazar turning into a legitimate NHL player were better than the odds for a 47th pick. That statement will be true for Jankowski if he is traded for a pick, too.

[TheScorpion]

Yes Reto Berra for a 2nd was a miraculous trade for the Flames. And goalies are just different beasts. Berra was reasonably young for a goalie and hadn't looked totally out of place in Calgary's net.

David Rundblad was traded for a 1st when he was 19. Jankowski is 25.

You may be right, some GM might see some sort of untapped potential in Jankowski but I think it would be widely perceived as an absolute steal if Calgary nabbed a second-rounder for him, especially given management's skill at drafting as of late.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Potential is also worth something.

Or how do you explain a 2nd for Lazar?

Lazar was still a kid more or less and had/has an elite skill in his skating.

Jankowski is a 25 year old plugger who is elite at nothing and plays the game as soft as it can be played. I mean he is getting completely outplayed by Zac Rinaldo offensively...that is a pretty low bar and he cant even clear it.

Not to mention the salary differences between the 2 players at the time they were dealt.

He has been part of a decent PK unit in the past but beyond that he offers absolutely nothing other than being a big body that plays small and scared.

The team would be lucky to get a 4th for him at best....more likely a 6th which at that point they might as well hang on to him as being a body here.

There is no longer any "potential" left with him. He is what he is.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Lazar had just turned 21 a year before.

So far two of the next 40 players taken (2017 - #47 pick traded for Lazar - #86) have played >30 games. (obviously far too early to evaluate).

It turned out to be a bad trade, but the odds of Lazar turning into a legitimate NHL player were better than the odds for a 47th pick. That statement will be true for Jankowski if he is traded for a pick, too.

And yet Jankowski is a far more proven NHLer than Lazar.

A big young centre with skill and skating who is a proven NHLer is worth a 2nd even if he's soft like baby's skin.

Just because he's a 4th line/healthy scratch here doesn't mean he wouldn't take advantage of a bigger opportunity of a worse team. Confidence can do wonders.

See Anthony Duclair on OTT vs his previous spots.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by transplant99

There is no longer any "potential" left with him. He is what he is.

Even if he is what he is then some of you are undervaluing what he is.

What is he?
a 17 goal NHL scorer
a proven 3rd/4th line centre
a proven elite PKer
has good size even if he doesn't use it

That's worth more than you're suggesting, sorry.

An overpaid Frolik who plays a less important position was worth a 4th. Janko is worth more than that. Some of you are too fixated on his offensive numbers this year. Scouts and GM's will take into account prior play, prior numbers and future upside as well.

[TheScorpion]

But Frolik is a far more experienced player who has won a Stanley Cup... he's overpaid sure but he was also more than worth that salary for a long time.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

But Frolik is a far more experienced player who has won a Stanley Cup... he's overpaid sure but he was also more than worth that salary for a long time.

And Jankowski is a far cheaper player who has the prime of his career ahead of him.

We could do this all day.

[transplant99]

That's worth more than you're suggesting, sorry.

No...he really isnt and no he isnt a 17 goal scorer.....he did that once sure, but look at his pace this year. I mean Lance Bouma scored 16 one year too...the next 3 years COMBINED he scored 8. Joe Colborne (very similar player) scored 19 one season and was out of hockey 2 years later.

At this point Janko has proven nothing more than he is entirely inconsistent, plays butter soft perimeter hockey, and played a role on an OK PK unit.

It would be awesome to get something of value for him and maybe BT could spin some magic, but at this point i would not be surprised if he cleared waivers.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

And Jankowski is a far cheaper player who has the prime of his career ahead of him.

We could do this all day.

That is very, very debatable. And I like Jankowski and am fine with keeping him.

As I posted earlier, I think his best trade value is to a rebuilding team who still needs to develop their players in the right spots. He reduces the 'price' of an otherwise existing trade...I don't think there will be much interest at all in acquiring him straight up for a pick.

Spitballing (values probably way off):
Instead of a mediocre prospect + 2nd for Toffoli, it might be Janko + 3rd
Instead of a 4th for Simmonds, it might be Janko + 6th

[Yamer]

Mark Jankowski is not worth a 2nd round pick. However, that isn't to say there isn't a GM out there willing to pay that for him.

I would expect that hypothetical GM to be in the extreme minority.