TSN: 2 teammates independently corroborate Akim Aliu's allegations against Peters

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by keenan87

The other day.. Treliving was quick to point out that he is responsible and should be held accountable for the play of yhe team. It starts at the manager level and he has been horse####.

Peters is his guy. So, does that mean Treliving should also be held accountable... it would be nice to wake up to see both peters and Treliving stepping down.

Tre steps down because Peters used the Nword 11 years ago before they ever met? Come on now

[shogged]

I wasn’t ready for another one of these threads so soon. Real shame if true

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Tre steps down because Peters used the Nword 11 years ago before they ever met? Come on now

Should have done a better job with checking his character references.. if these allegations hold.

I am mostly kidding though. I am not expecting Treliving to step down.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Tre steps down because Peters used the Nword 11 years ago before they ever met? Come on now

If anything it's an absolutely glorious opportunity for Brad to get a new coach with a cover of non hockey reasons.

I don't see Brad getting caught up negatively in this at all

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by keenan87

The other day.. Treliving was quick to point out that he is responsible and should be held accountable for the play of yhe team. It starts at the manager level and he has been horse####.

Peters is his guy. So, does that mean Treliving should also be held accountable... it would be nice to wake up to see both peters and Treliving stepping down.

If there was gross negligence, sure. But how was BT to have known about this (supposed) incident? I'm guessing he's as surprised as anyone tonight.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Should have done a better job with checking his character references.. if these allegations hold.

I am mostly kidding though. I am not expecting Treliving to step down.

Was he supposed to check with all 900 players he has ever coached... Carolina guys should all step down for giving him an NHL job. Revoke the franchise

[GioforPM]

Jeebus. Do not read the comments on the Flames tweet with treliving’s brief comment.

[ST20]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I've heard black people say N**** beats when referring to rap music. Not really relevant to Peters but let's not pretend there aren't people you use it every other word.

You're right it's not relevant to Peter's because he is white. If the situation is true he is a white man referring to music he seemingly doesn't enjoy by a racist term to a black man.

No one is acting like the n word isn't part of popular *black culture. It doesn't matter how much you listen to black music if you are white/not black don't use the word it's not hard. The fact that it's used sparingly by one culture is not a pass for anyone to use it.

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[Cecil Terwilliger]

I don’t think it’s worth debating the possible context in which people, white or black or whatever, use the n word and when it may be ok and when it isn’t.

Fact of the matter is that there aren’t any uses appropriate for Peters to use that word in a dressing room. Sure they use language that wouldn’t be appropriate in 95% of other workplaces but you’d have to think that’s one word everyone would know crosses a line.

Aliu isn’t just saying he used the word. He specifically said multiple times “towards me” in the room. It’s hard to even fathom a situation where Peters could be using that word that isn’t insanely racist and inappropriate.


As for what will happen to him, I could see him resigning while also denying it to avoid a ####storm that could follow. No one wants to get fired and it may be easier to just step away.

If even one other player corroborates Aliu’s story, Peters is done for. If a bunch of people deny it, saying they never heard anything of the sort and Aliu can’t give more details, then I think Peters survives firing but may still wish to step away. It all depends on whether the media picks up on it and if there’s massive social media outrage.

Let’s be honest, Cherry is a much more prominent public figure and we all got to see what he said. It wasn’t a twitter post claiming something he said from a decade ago. This could fade away much faster from the public limelight.

[GullFoss]

Hopefully, the nxt steps will be going to Disney Land and finding a new coach. If the jury was out on Peters before, it's likely going to be coming back now with a "guilty verdict."

There's always a possibility that Akim Aliu said this because it's still relevant. Maybe for Kylington. Maybe one of the current players is dating a black girl. Who knows!?!

[blender]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Doesn't make them the same person.

He was replying to an incorrect comment that suggested that Peter's didn't know Babcock prior to the incident in question.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ST20

You're right it's not relevant to Peter's because he is white. If the situation is true he is a white man referring to music he seemingly doesn't enjoy by a racist term to a black man.

No one is acting like the n word isn't part of popular *black culture. It doesn't matter how much you listen to black music if you are white/not black don't use the word it's not hard. The fact that it's used sparingly by one culture is not a pass for anyone to use it.

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Ah, I was responding to the guy who said that "nobody in big cities talk like that"

Plenty of people do...it doesn't excuse anyone but they do

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Jeebus. Do not read the comments on the Flames tweet with treliving’s brief comment.

All I see are a bunch of lame “you people” jokes. What am I missing?

[CF84]

Originally Posted by keenan87

The other day.. Treliving was quick to point out that he is responsible and should be held accountable for the play of yhe team. It starts at the manager level and he has been horse####.

Peters is his guy. So, does that mean Treliving should also be held accountable... it would be nice to wake up to see both peters and Treliving stepping down.

I really do like how you view things most of the time, but this is just stupid.

[CF84]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Should have done a better job with checking his character references.. if these allegations hold.

I am mostly kidding though. I am not expecting Treliving to step down.

And there it is

[gamesaver]

I think a context still should be considered, even if he really said it. A scenario comes to my mind: Alieu plays a song with an extensive use of the Nword. Peters tells him to shut the Nmusic down, because he doesn't want to hear that word in his dressing room. In all other cases though, there is no excuse.

[stang]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

All I see are a bunch of lame “you people” jokes. What am I missing?

He said “Do not read the comments”

[TheRealPepman]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

This entire story is astonishing and I'm curious to see what players from Peters' tenures in Calgary and Carolina have to say about any similar conduct.

Looking forward to James Neal's thoughts...

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Psytic

I wonder if this whole Babcock thing is going to kick off the NHL's version of the Me Too Movement of mistreated players.

While I understand the comparison in the context that this could open up a Pandora’s box of allegations of incidents that have long been swept under the rug, that’s where the similarities end.

You’re not going to find a lot of sympathy for a bunch of rich white men playing professional sports who were treated poorly by their coaches.

Nothing so far alleged is illegal. Unless we the floodgates open up for racism or much more heinous physical abuse at the junior level, this kind of thing won’t come close to the career ending/lawsuits/arrests we saw from the me too movement.

Hockey players aren’t exactly a historically oppressed part of our society. That’s not to say these behaviours don’t matter, they do and I’m glad people are shedding some light on it. I just think some context surrounding this me too comparison is important. I only say all this because I’d hate to think anyone would confuse the comparison of the floodgates opening to the severity and historical context of the two events.

[agulati]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

While I understand the comparison in the context that this could open up a Pandora’s box of allegations of incidents that have long been swept under the rug, that’s where the similarities end.

You’re not going to find a lot of sympathy for a bunch of rich white men playing professional sports who were treated poorly by their coaches.

Nothing so far alleged is illegal. Unless we the floodgates open up for racism or much more heinous physical abuse at the junior level, this kind of thing won’t come close to the career ending/lawsuits/arrests we saw from the me too movement.

Hockey players aren’t exactly a historically oppressed part of our society. That’s not to say these behaviours don’t matter, they do and I’m glad people are shedding some light on it. I just think some context surrounding this me too comparison is important. I only say all this because I’d hate to think anyone would confuse the comparison of the floodgates opening to the severity and historical context of the two events.

I'm thinking it will have more to do players playing in the juniors or younger players just making the NHL. So not really "rich". Marner was a rookie when the Babcock thing happened. Aliu was fairly young at that point as well (if the racist remark turns out to be true). This is good for the game, if these things are purged out, even though it can put the sport through a period of turmoil. This obviously depends on if this was a bigger issue than reported.

Hazing has been a big reported thing in hockey, and we do know about sexual abuse scandals as well. If racism also gets added to the mix, we do have a bigger powder keg.