Melinda Karlsson alleges Hoffman's fiancée is behind campaign of harassment

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by It's a great day 4 hockey

Sounds like someone needs to pay more attention to the Hot/Crazy Matrix...

I don't know of a ton of relationships where one party is a salt of the earth type and the other spends their time harrassing a couple mourning a still birth.

Usually garbage finds garbage.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Iggy_12

Im sorry but this is unsurprising Look at this girl haha

http://fabwags.com/monika-caryk-nhl-...ns-girlfriend/

So, a picture can indicate a person's true character and reveal their willingness to partake in unethical behavior?

Every other blond haired female who poses with duck face and is dating or married to a wealthy professional athlete must be very guilty of being horrible people too.

[Phaneufenstein]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I don't know of a ton of relationships where one party is a salt of the earth type and the other spends their time harrassing a couple mourning a still birth.

Usually garbage finds garbage.

Well if Hoffman's girl is the psycho as is alleged, it doesn't mean Hoffman was part of her shenanigans. I don't think he stood over her shoulder and suggested the next hurtful comment to write on Karlsson's Instagram feed. He may truly have not been aware of it.

[CliffFletcher]

Owning french bulldogs is a sign of poor character, at the very least.

[Hockey Fan #751]

Originally Posted by BloodFetish

Ah, but the 31st team is the Oilers!

Edmonton is the one team that makes sense to acquire Hoffman, because she probably wouldn't move there.

[spuzzum]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

its kinda funny that this may be the rare case where Hoffman stands to lose more money by staying with this chick and losing future earnings versus getting a divorce (I assume they are common law) and losing half his money.

One of those things that causes me gripe about common law and drives me nuts. I think marriage as-is should be all about going "all-in." The sharing of assets, finances, the good and the bad, and supporting each other. This is why marriage should be considered extremely important and why the decision to take the plunge is such a big deal.

Dating, living together or common law should be just what it is - a precursor to marriage and if things do not work out, you go your separate ways. Whatever money you put into the relationship, you get back. If one person makes 1 mil per year and the other makes 10K, leave it at that. It's lunacy that you have to pay out someone or pay for their living style just because you dated, lived together and were together.

Hopefully this situation does not turn into a soap opera and remains quite private. Unfortunately, reporters are going to hound and dig up dirt on everyone in this story including the Karlsson family who are indeed the victims, whomever the perpetrator ends up being. You can be certain people are already looking up any dirt on Melinda's medical history which is beyond unfortunate given the accusations.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by Southern_Canuck

Not sure if this was already posted, but this writer's opinion is that the Karlssons might have already secured a Norwich order, described below:

Legal Fallout From Disturbing Allegations of Cyberbullying Against Erik Karlsson and His Wife

excerpt:
"In order to get a peace bond, the complainant Curry needed to show on a balance of probabilities (i.e., more likely than not), that she had a reasonable basis upon which to fear that the defendant Caryk would cause her personal injury or harm."

also:
"Before the court issues its order, it needs to be persuaded that the order is justified. As well, Karlsson's lawyers would also want to ensure they had good evidence that Caryk is behind the online postings. If they don't, they risk exposing their client to a claim for defamation. It is possible, then, that the lawyers went ahead and secured what's called a Norwich order, which is a pre-action discovery mechanism that forces or compels a third party like Twitter and Facebook to preserve and provide evidence in its possession to a potential plaintiff."

If the writer is correct, the Karlssons may already have evidence that the perpetrator is Monika Caryk.

S_C

The fact that the karlsson's are pursuing a peace bond really shows their character more than anything. A peace bond is used in lieu of charges, and will result in no record as long as the terms are met, which you don't even get from discharges.

It is probably the least damaging thing that can be done against her.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

FYP

IF it ends up being Hoffman's gf behind all of the harassment, is it not possible that she is chemically unbalanced? There are a lot of mentally unhealthy people out there. Wish everyone wouldn't be so quick to judge. A lot of facts will come out in the upcoming weeks/months.

Or it could just be that she's a nasty ass person, if we lead with the premise that it is indeed Caryk pulling this nonsense (I'm not casting a judgement yet, cuz I think there's still more to come out about this and it very well could be mistaken identity /PC answer). Not all nasty ass people are mentally unhealthy, at least not in the way you seem to be implying. I'm not sure I can explain this properly but anyway...here, a link and an excerpt from that link, that I read a while back, regarding Trump, but still, stands to reason for any situation really.

We can’t keep conflating bad behaviour or reprehensible views with mental illness.

We can’t keep conflating bad behaviour or reprehensible views with mental illness.

Every time we willingly blur the line between raging arsehole and mentally ill person, we do two very dangerous things: we increase stigma surrounding real psychiatric conditions, and we excuse people for their terrible behaviour on the basis that they had to have been “out of their minds” to think or act that way.

We make this mistake all the time. A mass murderer or a sadistic attacker is often described as “mentally unstable”, without any evidence at hand. Terrorist sympathisers, rapists, child abusers are routinely slapped with the label. “Probably schizophrenic” is a common layman’s diagnosis you’ll hear following one horrific tragedy or another, followed closely behind by “what looked like a bipolar episode”. And these terms creep into daily conversation as well: violent spouses “must have had something mentally wrong with them”; bullying bosses and Twitter trolls are dismissed as “clearly having psychological problems”.

When the only time we talk about schizophrenia, bipolar disorder or depression is when someone massacres their family or launches a vicious verbal attack on a stranger, then it’s very easy to see how stigma builds around psychiatric conditions which many reasonable, sensible, compassionate people live with their entire lives. It’s easy to see how we then read “I have depression” as “I could go off the rails any minute”, or “I’ve been diagnosed with bipolar disorder” with “I’m an obnoxious person who you don’t want to work in your office. Hire me at your peril.”

It’s also easy to see how we then stop holding people account for abuse, for cruelty, for prejudice and xenophobia. Rightly, we have courts of law which allow pleas of diminished responsibility when someone is gravely mentally ill and commits a crime. Twitter isn’t a court of law, and Donald Trump’s remarks about Muslims or actions surrounding his Mexican wall shouldn’t get to be waved away with a laugh and a shrug because he’s “mental”. They should be taken as seriously as the actions of anyone else who popular opinion has decided is sound of mind.

Put simply: sometimes, an arsehole is just an arsehole. In pop psychiatry, it’s especially important to remember that.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Iggy_12

Im sorry but this is unsurprising Look at this girl haha

http://fabwags.com/monika-caryk-nhl-...ns-girlfriend/

Say what you want...it's exactly what I pictured as well. Gold digger spoiled throphy wife for millionaire athlete.

[Jetfire]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Say what you want...it's exactly what I pictured as well. Gold digger spoiled throphy wife for millionaire athlete.

That cringy duckface though.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jetfire

That cringy duckface though.

mind you:

[GioforPM]

Interesting that Melinda Karlsson was starting an anti-cyber bullying org. in Feb. 2017.

http://www.stickbynik.com/sens-sisters/

I think the pic of the women at the top has Caryk in it top right. More normal of a shot.

edit: this is Craig Anderson's wife's cancer blog

[Jiri Hrdina]

Can we stop posting photos of women and making judgements based on that please?
Some ugly stuff in this thread

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

its kinda funny that this may be the rare case where Hoffman stands to lose more money by staying with this chick and losing future earnings versus getting a divorce (I assume they are common law) and losing half his money.

Nah, it's to protect himself if any charges are laid.

Because you can't arrest a husband and wife for the same crime

[Hey Connor, It's Mess]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

Nah, it's to protect himself if any charges are laid.

Because you can't arrest a husband and wife for the same crime

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

So you're thinking having a fiancee who harassed another player's wife on social media is the worst thing an NHL player has ever done? Worse than sexual assault, vehicular manslaughter, drunken rampages, and spousal abuse?

Slava Voynov won't have any trouble getting an NHL contract. And he beat the #### out of his wife.

It’s obviously not worse than those things you’re referring to (in my opinion) but it was something that happened that could impact the dressing room and mess up the culture of a team significantly. In the context of wanting a player on your team, you could at least rationalize picking up a poor character criminal that has commit crimes or done other issues in their personal lives that don’t impact the team whatsoever other than some bad press.

This, though, is a direct impact to their star player and best defenseman. No way to rationalize that Hoffman and Karlsson are able to figure this out. So it’s basically gutted this team in a much more serious way than any of those other offences you reference despite them being more severe from a societal perspective.

So it’s not really about what’s worse and more about what kind of perception of potential damage does this sort of reputation create within a hockey team itself.

Also, I agree with Duhatsek on the radio today. I’m not entirely convinced a team takes a flyer on Voynov yet either. The optics for any team would be poor there too.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

This, though, is a direct impact to their star player and best defenseman. No way to rationalize that Hoffman and Karlsson are able to figure his out. So it’s basically gutted this team in a much more serious way than any of those other offences you reference despite them being more severe from a societal perspective.

Well yeah, Hoffman and Karlsson are obviously never going to play together again. But there will still be teams interested in acquiring Hoffman. He's not going to be black-balled and out of the league, which is the assertion I was responding to.

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Also, I agree with Duhatsek on the radio today. I’m not entirely convinced a team takes a flyer on Voynov yet either. The optics for any team would be poor there too.

The Voynov situation would be mitigated by the fact his wife and him are still together and they have two kids. So when it comes time for the press conference, she can sit there beside her husband, talk about the counselling they've gone through, how she feels their marriage is stronger than ever, etc. etc. I could see him ending up in one of the Russian-friendly New York are teams, like the Devils or Sabres.

The NHL has welcomed back players who killed people while drunk driving. One of them is an executive with the team up the road.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Can we stop posting photos of women and making judgements based on that please?
Some ugly stuff in this thread

Don't care either way, but considering this is a forum dominated by men, talking about athletes wives, and the topic of type of pictures used to fulfill a narrative, it's not unexpected, or surprising that these type of posts would come up.

I haven't noticed anything yet that seems offside or distasteful aside from perhaps some comments towards Caryk due to her actions. But again, don't care for the content you're advocating against, being posted or not.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Don't care either way, but considering this is a forum dominated by men, talking about athletes wives, and the topic of type of pictures used to fulfill a narrative, it's not unexpected, or surprising that these type of posts would come up.

No one said it was surprising, but that does not absolve us from holding ourselves to a higher standard.

I haven't noticed anything yet that seems offside or distasteful aside from perhaps some comments towards Caryk due to her actions. But again, don't care for the content you're advocating against, being posted or not.

If it happened even once, that is more than enough.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Well yeah, Hoffman and Karlsson are obviously never going to play together again. But there will still be teams interested in acquiring Hoffman. He's not going to be black-balled and out of the league, which is the assertion I was responding to.

Well you were comparing this to other high crimes but I was just pointing out that those other offences were not really the same kind of thing.

And I’m not sure other teams are going to risk their dressing rooms for Hoffman. If Hoffman dumps her then maybe yeah. Would you want this crap on your team? What if this was Gaudreau’s wife going through this #### show because we decided to acquire Hoffman and this circus rolled into the Flames dressing room?